Cheiromancer
Adventurer
I don't want to clog up the Epic Spells thread unduly, so I'm transferring the discussion over here. Maybe we'll get a quick consensus, maybe not.
Originally posted by Cheiromancer
Originally posted by Sepulchrave II
Hmmm. Like your chthonic template. Trouble is, I can see undead PCs being more common than chthonic PCs. If they use the necropolitan template, they won't even take a LA (they lose a level as if by raise dead, but that's it). A lich PC could have their LA all paid off by 30th level. A house -ruled vampire (with severe limitations to spawn and domination abilities) likewise.
The positive energy damage might work. Depends on how easy it is too heal.
How easy is it to heal the Con damage from backlash? I.e. would a heal work, or does it take time and rest?
Originally posted by Cheiromancer
BTW, did we ever determine what the mechanical effect of backlash *is*? I seem to recall that straight Con damage seemed unsatisfactory for some reason. Maybe we were wondering what undead sorcerers would use in its place.
Anyway, if we haven't really decided yet, maybe a thread should be started. I'll throw a suggestion into the ring: every two points of backlash reduces the maximum hit points of the spellcaster by 1 hp per hit die. Recoverable by rest. Characters could thus use backlash spells in emergencies, since if they are in the single digits they don't have a lot to lose.
And rather than heal spells neutralizing the cost of backlash, backlash would neutralize the effects of heal.
Originally posted by Sepulchrave II
I'm more-or-less happy with straight Con damage - it's simple, and it directly reflects a hit to vitality. It impacts Fortitude saves and Concentration checks, as well. Truth be told, I think I'd like it even more if backlash extended to Strength and Dexterity as well - all 3 physical stats to be debilitated. But I suspect this might be a little too much. I don't like the idea of the caster 'apportioning' the backlash to a specific score, though. It's too convenient, and backlash should be anything but.
I hadn't really considered undead casters. Maybe they (and other creatures with no Con score) should treat Backlash as a positive energy effect which does 1d6 damage per point: undead have lousy hit points, anyway. Maybe they can choose a mental stat to apply it to. Maybe they can't use it at all; they don't have a 'lifeforce' to draw upon.
Or maybe they can apply it freely (to the limit of their caster level) - it would make epic vampire-sorcerers, liches and demiliches very interesting. They'd effectively have up to 30 points of free factors to add to every spell at 30th level - specifically to things that [blast] and [destroy], where backlash is preferred. Very destructive, in combination with certain feats. I can't say that I'm entirely averse to this idea.
Hmmm. Like your chthonic template. Trouble is, I can see undead PCs being more common than chthonic PCs. If they use the necropolitan template, they won't even take a LA (they lose a level as if by raise dead, but that's it). A lich PC could have their LA all paid off by 30th level. A house -ruled vampire (with severe limitations to spawn and domination abilities) likewise.
The positive energy damage might work. Depends on how easy it is too heal.
How easy is it to heal the Con damage from backlash? I.e. would a heal work, or does it take time and rest?