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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jimmifett" data-source="post: 5331851" data-attributes="member: 55006">The trigger is exactly as stated. "You make an attack roll.", not before you make an attack roll, when an attack is declared, someone else grants you an attack, or anything else. You need to have made an attack roll to trigger it. Now, it is my belief that the player needs to decide whether or not to use it BEFORE the DM states if it misses or not, but that would be up to the circumstance, like if the DM is a bit jumpy on declaring "you missed" based on say, a 2 on the die before the player can add modifiers. I would also apply the same to elven accuracy, since it says "you make an attack roll and dislike the result". This would also occur after the roll, but before the DM tells you if you've missed or not. Now, a lot of tables take this for granted and simply use elven accuracy on a miss, but that is not how the power is worded to work. If the DM has already stated that you miss, after you've totalled up your bonuses to the die roll and informed him/her of the final attack roll total, I would definately say it's too late to use it by that point. Player: (rolls 12 on die + 8 to hit.. looks at die, thinks he may need a bit more) "I use backstab while I attempt to twist my blade into the monster's spleen, my total is 23 vs AC., xx stabbity stab damage" DM: "You just barely slip past the overlapping scales on the monster and plunge your weapon deep inside the abdomen of your target. The monster turns to cut you with it's gaze, filled with the fury of the nine hells in it's eyes, as it roars spittle and blood at you."</blockquote>

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