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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5708717" data-attributes="member: 9037">I agree that first part is cheating. I don't think it is cheating if the DM fudges because they have screwed up the encounter and are now fixing it. You can usually see as the encounter goes on that you have messed up. I am not talking about the luck of the dice here. If your group is fine in letting bad luck cause a TPK that is one thing. But it is another thing all together when that TPK is going to happen because the DM's encounter is not in the ability of the party to handle. And no I am not talking about encounters that are meant for the party to run away from.I had this happen in a game that I was a player in and it really sucked that everyone died because the DM screwed up the challenge he even admitted he had done it. But he was rolling out in the open that was the last time he rolled in the open. He did not believe in fudging dice to save PCs and rolling behind the screen did not stop that but it gave him the ability if he every messed up again  to fix it. Personally I would rather have a DM fix it behind the screen then stop the action and do a reset. It is not cheating to use bait and switch it is wrong but it is not cheating at least how I define cheating.The thing is I believe in open communication between players and DMs and it is a two way street. It is wrong for the DM to hold things back about rules from the players. Just like I think it is wrong for a player to say yes I am fine with this style campaign and then not go along with the campaign.</blockquote>

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