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<blockquote data-quote="Nagol" data-source="post: 5709223" data-attributes="member: 23935"><p>It not a small variance from the game rules or arbitrary placement of risk and reward that would cause a break in the contract. Really, the best person to determine of a contract was broken is Bullgrit -- after all he negotiated it.</p><p></p><p>I've highlighted the relevant material in his quote below.</p><p></p><p>1) Bullgrit offered to run a game of D&D.</p><p></p><p>2) He ran a game where he deliberately misused or ignored most the rules. Even the "honest" section where the rules were used was manipulated by him.</p><p></p><p>3) The participants were completely ignorant of his tricks.</p><p></p><p>4) He felt like a fraud and a cheat.</p><p></p><p>It's hard for the group to offer an opinion on acceptability if the instigator keeps the tactics secret. Since the group was not privy to the manipulation, we cannot take their enjoyment of the game as approval for the style. Maybe the group would not care, but Bullgrit's self-confessed feelings certainly show he did. At the very least he broke an implicit pact with himself. Very likely he broke one with the group as well. It may be behaviour the group does not care about or would overlook for the experience of an awesome game, but we cannot know and the group was never given the opportunity to share it's view.</p><p></p><p>I don't care he ran the game the way he did; I care he ran the game the way he did in an underhanded and secret manner that prevented the other participants from understanding what they were experiencing was not the game they would experience from fair rules-based play. The secrecy around the manipulation and disregard for the rule set pretty much negates the group's ability to consent to the style of play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nagol, post: 5709223, member: 23935"] It not a small variance from the game rules or arbitrary placement of risk and reward that would cause a break in the contract. Really, the best person to determine of a contract was broken is Bullgrit -- after all he negotiated it. I've highlighted the relevant material in his quote below. 1) Bullgrit offered to run a game of D&D. 2) He ran a game where he deliberately misused or ignored most the rules. Even the "honest" section where the rules were used was manipulated by him. 3) The participants were completely ignorant of his tricks. 4) He felt like a fraud and a cheat. It's hard for the group to offer an opinion on acceptability if the instigator keeps the tactics secret. Since the group was not privy to the manipulation, we cannot take their enjoyment of the game as approval for the style. Maybe the group would not care, but Bullgrit's self-confessed feelings certainly show he did. At the very least he broke an implicit pact with himself. Very likely he broke one with the group as well. It may be behaviour the group does not care about or would overlook for the experience of an awesome game, but we cannot know and the group was never given the opportunity to share it's view. I don't care he ran the game the way he did; I care he ran the game the way he did in an underhanded and secret manner that prevented the other participants from understanding what they were experiencing was not the game they would experience from fair rules-based play. The secrecy around the manipulation and disregard for the rule set pretty much negates the group's ability to consent to the style of play. [/QUOTE]
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