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Message: <blockquote data-quote="John Morrow" data-source="post: 1933847" data-attributes="member: 27012">I think that could better be served through the miracles he could perform as a cleric.  A paladin, as a class, is designed to be an exemplar or role model.  As we both agree, this character isn't.  I'm not saying that a god couldn't empower a character through grace alone.  I'm simply saying that a paladin does not seem to be the right vehicle for it.  I understand your point but it just doesn't feel right.What I'm not seeing here is the the dedication to righteousness and I think that's because you are talking about active and willful sins rather than passive sins of weakness.  It's one thing for a sinner to allow himself be pressured into getting drunk at a party and another thing for a sinner to scour a city looking for a bottle of whiskey.  It's one thing for a sinner to be coerced into helping his friends steal some chickens and another thing for a sinner to be the mastermind for a string of bank robberies.  It's one thing for a sinner to fall to the charms of a married woman who wants to bed him but quite another thing to actively seduce a woman who is married.  I'd find the idea more plausible if he were a passive rather than active sinner.  I don't think that the idea of an active sinner is compatible with either a personality that would lay down their life for righteousness or a deity's grace.Yeah, I've heard that argument before.  I've never had a shortage of new character ideas and honestly feel that some are better than others.You started out by saying, "I've been thinking about playing my first Paladin, but I couldn't imagine a paladin that I'd want to roleplay."  That suggests that you wanted to play a paladin (as a class) first, but didn't like the catches involved with playing the traditional sort.  So you decided to imagine a character concept that would gives you the ability to play a paladin without being an exemplar.  It may not be playing the rules in a traditional min-max sense but it still seems to be wanting to play a character class without the negatives.  But since you aren't looking for a power-character, why not see if you can't swap out the traditional paladin restrictions with some other catch that helps your character on his path to righteousness?  For example, perhaps your character's paladin abilities come and go as he sins and repents, without having to go through a formal atonement process.  In other words, his god lets him be a paladin only so long as he's acting like a paladin.It all depends on how you play him.  If it's just an excercise in running a character that can't resist his vices, not really.  If you actually play through the struggle of resisting his vices, it could be.  What do you think would make it so interesting?Of course if you really want a challenge, I'd suggest going back to the drawing board and figure out how to play a traditional paladin by the book that you'd have fun playing.</blockquote>

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