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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lord Pendragon" data-source="post: 1935942" data-attributes="member: 707">Guilt is neither excuse nor justification.Then I've been misunderstanding your position in this debate.  From the very beginning, your argument has seemed to be "why can't my character concept be a part of the core paladin?  Why doesn't my character concept fit into the archtypical paladin, as defined in the PH?"  To which I've tried to respond as best I could.Now, this most recent statement seems instead to indicate that you wanted to ask, "could my character concept work as a unique instance of an individual who gains a paladin's abilities but, for the sake of God's desire to teach his flock a lesson in Grace, gains those abilities while he is yet unworthy of them?"In this case, as a DM I'd be inclined to allow it.  It allows paladins to remain the Sir Galahads and St. George's of the world, while still allowing for an interesting character concept.  Perhaps God has decided that his paladins are becoming a bit too arrogant.  Not arrogant enough to fall, perhaps, but more arrogant than he'd like.  So your guy shows up, living reminder that a paladin is no better than the basest of men.  Only through God's Grace is he made stronger, not through any superiority of his own.I like the concept.  I like the idea of God sending an object lesson to his Chosen.  But you'll note that my shift in position is entirely dependent on the re-definition of your concept, not as a paladin, but as a paladin-variant. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Not quite.  A paladin doesn't have to embody every virtuous principle.  Redemption, Grace, and Mercy play a far lesser role in the paladin archtype, than do Retribution, Justice, and Virtue.  A paladin does not embody every good trait, nor is every person with a good trait a paladin.</blockquote>

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