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<blockquote data-quote="Bacon Bits" data-source="post: 8106715" data-attributes="member: 6777737"><p>No, I'm saying they didn't say that. They did say <a href="https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-2002-01-28" target="_blank">this</a>:</p><p></p><p>[excerpt]</p><p>To recap (or to fill in for those unwilling to read the long version):</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">By definition, some bad cards have to exist. (The most important reason.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Some cards are “bad” because they aren’t meant for you.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Some cards are “bad” because they’re designed for a less advanced player.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Some cards are “bad” because the right deck for them doesn’t exist yet.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">“Bad” cards reward the more skilled player.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Some players enjoy discovering good “bad” cards.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Some “bad” cards are simply R&D goofing up.</li> </ol><p>[/excerpt]</p><p></p><p>I think my argument that it's about teaching players how to evaluate cards is exemplified in #3, #4, #5 and #6. </p><p></p><p>You might argue "making good cards shine" is #1, but that's not what MaRo is saying at all. Indeed, in the explanation for #1 MaRo makes it pretty clear that this reason is <em>the natural consequence of the game's design</em> rather than an intentional design feature on R&D's part. The "bad" cards in one of the Masters sets are much better than those in a regular set, but they're still bad in limited with that set.</p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "making good cards shine," but to me that means that the bad cards exist because by existing it makes the good cards look better. That is, if your game is full of Scorching Spears, it makes Shock look pretty good, therefore Scorching Spear should exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bacon Bits, post: 8106715, member: 6777737"] No, I'm saying they didn't say that. They did say [URL='https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/when-cards-go-bad-2002-01-28']this[/URL]: [excerpt] To recap (or to fill in for those unwilling to read the long version): [LIST=1] [*]By definition, some bad cards have to exist. (The most important reason.) [*]Some cards are “bad” because they aren’t meant for you. [*]Some cards are “bad” because they’re designed for a less advanced player. [*]Some cards are “bad” because the right deck for them doesn’t exist yet. [*]“Bad” cards reward the more skilled player. [*]Some players enjoy discovering good “bad” cards. [*]Some “bad” cards are simply R&D goofing up. [/LIST] [/excerpt] I think my argument that it's about teaching players how to evaluate cards is exemplified in #3, #4, #5 and #6. You might argue "making good cards shine" is #1, but that's not what MaRo is saying at all. Indeed, in the explanation for #1 MaRo makes it pretty clear that this reason is [I]the natural consequence of the game's design[/I] rather than an intentional design feature on R&D's part. The "bad" cards in one of the Masters sets are much better than those in a regular set, but they're still bad in limited with that set. Maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "making good cards shine," but to me that means that the bad cards exist because by existing it makes the good cards look better. That is, if your game is full of Scorching Spears, it makes Shock look pretty good, therefore Scorching Spear should exist. [/QUOTE]
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