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<blockquote data-quote="Wolfspirit" data-source="post: 561262" data-attributes="member: 737">One thing that really annoys me about charisma is that it's second to actual roleplaying.&nbsp; You have to be able to pull off a decent lie to need to make a bluff check for example.&nbsp; I don't think many DMs are keen on letting players say &quot;I say something charismatic, can I just roll a charisma check?&quot;I know this problem exists in both D&amp;D and White Wolf systems, there's some WW guides that reccomend just dropping the charisma skills if you're a good enough talker.It is a problem in my play group, to date I'm one of the only players that's had a charisma above ten; I've had a 10 in charisma once with a dwarven cleric that was disliked by most.The way I deal with charisma when I DM is that it's sort of an &quot;lucky&quot; stat.&nbsp; When the orc chief is looking to make one last strike before he goes down, he'll take out the 10 charisma character.&nbsp; When a Priestess has a choice of giving a magic sword to one of two players, the more &quot;noble&quot; looking one will get, all things being equal.Of course, I'm going to have to see if my DM will let me take a couple of the charisma feats.&nbsp; The &quot;reroll a die&quot; one looks soooo usefull.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wolfspirit, post: 561262, member: 737"] One thing that really annoys me about charisma is that it's second to actual roleplaying. You have to be able to pull off a decent lie to need to make a bluff check for example. I don't think many DMs are keen on letting players say "I say something charismatic, can I just roll a charisma check?" I know this problem exists in both D&D and White Wolf systems, there's some WW guides that reccomend just dropping the charisma skills if you're a good enough talker. It is a problem in my play group, to date I'm one of the only players that's had a charisma above ten; I've had a 10 in charisma once with a dwarven cleric that was disliked by most. The way I deal with charisma when I DM is that it's sort of an "lucky" stat. When the orc chief is looking to make one last strike before he goes down, he'll take out the 10 charisma character. When a Priestess has a choice of giving a magic sword to one of two players, the more "noble" looking one will get, all things being equal. Of course, I'm going to have to see if my DM will let me take a couple of the charisma feats. The "reroll a die" one looks soooo usefull. [/QUOTE]

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