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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Berandor" data-source="post: 567129" data-attributes="member: 225">I have to agree with Henry. Even though it has been said before, this is one of my pet peeves.Someone with a low Cha is not necessarily ugly as hell. When you suffer from Charisma drain, you do not grow bumps and boils in your face.Many people "simulate" Charisma (and to a lesser extent, Int and Wis) with role-playing. If the player lies good, no need for a check. But if the character is a good liar, he'll probably have some ranks in bluff, won't he? And if the fighter is a born leader, someone who holds speeches before the big fight, he better have a good Cha score, or he'll be likely to stutter or be afraid of speaking in public (unless he's got ranks in diplomacy, that is).Embodying your stats, that is good role-playing. Not playing yourself without regards to the stats.The second part of henry's argument is even more important. I know a lot of un-athletic people who play barbarians, fighters, rogues, ... I know stupid people who play wizards or clerics. So why shouldn't timid people be able to play charismatic leaders or sly mountebanks? Just because they're not outgoing enough to roleplay correctly?Next time the fighter lifts the portcullis, I'll have him lift a real one, too. No checks required.Berandor</blockquote>