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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mulkhoran" data-source="post: 485000" data-attributes="member: 894">[PLAIN]Re: Re: [BADD] DM taking it too far?[/PLAIN]Despite how much I love your descriptions of what the area should look like, I think the more intelligent dragons would avoid this. Advertising your presence in an area is rarely the path to gaining the upper hand.And very, VERY few dragons ever let you get anywhere near them when they're asleep.Other people on this thread have already covered what the dragon could and couldn't do with actions and rules and whatnot. I just wanted to stop here and say that this sounds like a *great* way to cause discord and start an argument. Ok, now this sounds great, except that the penalties for frostbite and exposure aren't as lethal as you portray. Extreme cold or exposure force a Fort save (DC 15, +1 per previous check) every 10 minutes. That's 100 rounds before a Fort save. Now, it says under exposure that if you fail you take subdual damage, and that if you do, you're considered fatigued. You could push that all the way to exhausted, and they'd be -6 Str and Dex, and 1/2 move.Also, they can hold their breath for Conx2, which should be enough time to breach the ice.......seeing as how ice has 3hp/inch of thickness.Good deathtrap for a low/low-mid level party for sure, but ones above, say 6th level could readily overcome this challenge.Wouldn't a mass volume of water like this suddenly impacting the aforementioned ice sheet shatter it? Unless the ice was sufficiently thick, that is.......Lightning bolt doesn't do that.  It probably should have some such effect, though, such as morphing to an area effect when hitting the water.These *are* spiffy tactics, though.</blockquote>

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