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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Victim" data-source="post: 75162" data-attributes="member: 78">Remember, the Dragon hid a corner to prevent flanking attacks.  Since all the PCs could fly, via the spell I suppose, flight wouldn't be that much of an advantage.  Sure, the dragon is much faster, but the Fly spell grants much better manueverability.  A dragon is no good in a dogfight, even with Wingover and Hover wouldn't be that special: Good manuevering lets you Hover and change directions about as easily.  The dragon would ahve to spend 2 precious feats just to barely hold on to a flight advantage.  I;d rather let the dragon have other stuff, wingover seems pretty weak.If the dragon goes to their home, then a 40 point power attack combined with some long lasting buffs should allow to rip out bits of Spellforge Keep pretty easily, even if it's magically treated reinforced masonry with 360 hp and 16 hardness per 10 x 10 section.  And, with some successful knowledge checks, the dragon could know just which area to rip out to cause maximum structural damage.  Must have Heal spell.Must have Power Attack.Re Liches:The DotF web enhancement lists learning the secret of becoming a lich as an appropriate quest for a cleric of Wee-Jas.  I can't see that many people learning how without doing it, so Vek should fine.  At least in the eyes of his fellow priests of Wee Jas.------------------------------------------------------------Given the fact that many adventures assume that PCs will gain levels and the magic items included within during the course of the adventure, I think skipping the whole thing was a pretty stupid move.  Imagine a group going into the end of Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil at 4th level.  Or a 1st level party at the end of the Sunless Citadel.  Even without much difference in levels, our group is much more effective now than we we're at the begining of Heart of Nightfang Spire.  No one died last night, so we must be doing better.</blockquote>

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