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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ziona" data-source="post: 81061" data-attributes="member: 484">Does this ring a bell? THIS is what Xaltar means by us getting bashed.  Listen: it's a GAME. In this game, we as players, are allowed to make our own decisions.  The DM should be prepared to accept the fact that PC's are not always going to be cookie-cutter and are not always going to follow the adventure the way it is planned or written.  This has happened many times in Xaltar's campaigns (as he stated) and it's something the DM has to work around. Plain & simple.I have to agree with HeavyG that the people posting here have gone WAY overboard in the advice that they have given Dr. Midnight. You were not there during the game session, so no matter what Doc decides to write up, you don't know what really happened.  Yes, he told us OOG that the dragon was tough. But I recall him stating that he could think of no reason IN GAME to give our characters to not enter and fight the dragon. He even said that the half-dragon son of the White Wyrm had no reason NOT to go. And another thing; you have all said that we, as a party, do not fear PC death or consequences. Doc has not written it in the stories, but my character has died on at least 2 occasions (past negative 30 or so) and Doc made the decision to have her stabilize at -5 (both times...)  The same thing has happened to Dartan.  Why? I don't know...because it sucks to lose characters? Because he's had so many PC deaths? Because it's not good for the story? Because he didn't realize that blow was a killing blow? You're guess is as good as mine.So, why shouldn't we attack a super-tough Dragon? We had a plan that we thought was sound; we tried it; one member died, and we made a well-thought out hasty retreat.  As for Doc not asking for your opinion on this situation, will you please re-read the thread name for me...yeah, that's right...it says EVALUATE MY DMing! That doesn't mean bash the players or their decisions.  Doc says we've been bad & that we're going to get spanked, and I think it's silly.  We played our characters well, and we had a great, well-thought out plan.  The goal in the module is to help a half-dragon take out his dad, and we found a way to get to our goal in half the time. Big deal. You're all so caught up in telling us we were over our head, but if the spell Harm was used by rules, we would have defeated the dragon two hours into the battle.  Vek made the SR check (and that was a HUGELY DIFFICULT task I may add,) but the dragon was given a save.  It could have taken SOME damage, but it didn't. House rule...fine.  But don't say we were over our head when the DM made the decision during the battle that he was definetly going to use the house rule. He was wavering on whether or not he would ever actually use it, and when Vek  said he didn't memorize Harm, Doc said he may have considered NOT using the save. When Vek realized he could sack Heal for Harm, Doc made his decision to use the save. End of story.I'm not trying to attack Doc's DMing. I enjoy playing in his campaign, I like my character, and the PC's in the game. But this whole thread is silly.  You're all complaining about Vek's whining and complaining, but Doc started a whole thread to complain about his players instead of addressing the issues with them.  It's one thing to ask for some ideas or opinions, but it's another to say all these things and to think that the players weren't going to see this thread. All I know is that I play D&D for fun, and when a game gets to be taken so seriously and things start getting taken personally, it's time to step away from it for awhile.  Like Xaltar, I'm sorry that our enthusiasm upset Doc, and I'm sorry he was so "livid" and "beyond mad" that he had to create this thread.  As far as the rest of you go, I couldn't care less what you have to say. You weren't there for the gaming session, and have no clue what actually happened.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></blockquote>

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