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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6342422" data-attributes="member: 4937">I find that the only people who can play a Bard well are the ones that do it for a living in real life.   Everyone else tries hard but falls flat.Also, I prefer to think of this as the Sluggy Freelance of threads.   We're going to transcend comic lunacy before we descend there.Real life story.I knew this DM who was playing 1e AD&D, and apparently, on account of the DMG's famous organization and layout did not know of the rules for forced marches (once you point them out to a player, they never force march again).  Anyway, so it was a dark and stormy night both in game and in life, and his players declared that there PC's were going to march on into the night.  And so the DM narrated to them how badly it sucked, how they were shivering and soaked to the bone, and stumbling in the mud which was creeping up their legs, and how they were blinded by the driving rain and could hardly hear from the howling wind and their only source of light was the flashes of thunder.  And the players said, "Nevertheless, we press on.", which they could do because they had agency and the DM lacked rules to simulate the problem mechanically.  Therefore, under the rules as physics, forced marches didn't suck and the players were taking advantage of that.  So the DM said, "I don't think you'd actually do that.  It's not realistic that you'd keep walking at night in a storm by choice.  You aren't playing your character.  You're meta-gaming."   And the players said, "Oh no, we're RPing that we are wet and miserable all right, it's just that we are big bad heroes and we soldier on."  So then the DM said, "Fine, that's the way you want it, we are going to play outside and walk in circles till you find shelter and make camp for the night."And so they did.Ten minutes later they decided they'd find shelter and went back inside.Discuss the ethics of this DM decision in classic 5 paragraph essay form paying special attention to what Lewis Pulsipher's thoughts on this methodology might be.</blockquote>

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