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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3458508" data-attributes="member: 29014">But it still works.  With most other mechanisms, the big rock or adamantine scissors can avoid any effect.  The ability to take nothing is crucial in a war of attrition.Precisely--this is why the damage has to be low enough that the PC has to use many of them to do anything, even for someone who poured her heart and soul into being good with Irresistible Damage (because unlike any other specialisation where you get better at only one thing, this one will work against anything, even a god).  If the character went absolutely berserk (and I do mean all-holds-barred twinked-out spend almost-all-your-feats (though some of the metamagic can be used in other ways) absolutely berserk) with metamagic on this thing, I see 247.5 damage per round (sustainable for 3 rounds at level 20 assuming 28 Int, which is a given) coming from 15d2 (Thesis, Easy, Practical, being a Spellscale--the works!) without using Metamagic Rods (a single Metamagic rod will make that damage much easier and viable with a much more reasonable build, and it need not even be a Greater rod--to be even more evil, you can use the rod and the build and throw in Repeat spell, so they take the same damage next round, also irresistible).  This is, in my book, unreasonably high for something that has no defense.     2) If the PCs don't have Shield, Brooch of Shielding, or SR, that's completely their own fault--100 or 200 1st-level Wizards with Magic Missile prepared should not be an issue for them, but it will be if they've left themselves exposed like that.  SR is not the atomic bomb--SR is one of the R-P-S.  It's the thing that (other than orbs, which are a contention) protects against all the biggest damage spells in the game.  If the spell is particularly damaging or hard to avoid for its level (other than Orbs, which are a contention), SR is there for you.  If SR is rock, the biggest damage spells are scissors, which can't beat rock, but they cut up the vulnerable paper.  The Orbs are scissors like their cousins, but they also beat rock.</blockquote>

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