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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 1297487" data-attributes="member: 2067"><p>Paladins have social skills. Paladins are based around Strength and Charisma. Paladins have a code of honor. Paladins are mounted knights.</p><p></p><p>The Samurai could easily be a PrC for a Paladin or Paladin/Fighter. Or a chain of Intimidation feats for them, with perhaps one feat that allows you TWF without a high Dex...an alternate...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>=Paladin. Paladin/Fighter if you don't want the extra god-baggage.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>ONE feat could solve this. Call it Mighty Two-Weapon Fighting. It requires maybe a better BAB, and limits you to only two weapons...you don't need a class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Isn't specialized, elite, and campaign-specific the role for prestige classes? Otherwise, why the heck have ANY? And TWF with heavy armor is not that mind-boggling. The only 'new' thing the class brings to bear is the intimidation powers, which still work well as a feat chain, or PrC ability progression.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OR, he could be specialized in excactly that form of fighting without having to multiclass in an elite, specialized, campaign-specific BASE class...or qualifying for an elite, specialized, campaign-specific PRESTIGE class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm happy they've moved away from the glut of PrC's, but PrC's DO have a role, and should be utilized to fill that role. Base classes are just that -- bases. Basic. Defining of a character from a low level, a pedestal on which to build and ornament with feats and possibly Prestige classes (which represent focus, elitism, or a specific campaign role). I love the Swashbuckler and the Hexblade as base classes, and wouldn't want to take them out of that role.</p><p></p><p>The Samurai, however, brings nothing *base* to the table. It's not a pedestal, it's a fully ornamented statue already. That's what a PrC can do. That's not a role for the base class....</p><p></p><p>This is all just IMHO, but if base classes are used for campaign-specific, elite, specialized warriors what, excatly, do PrC's do?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 1297487, member: 2067"] Paladins have social skills. Paladins are based around Strength and Charisma. Paladins have a code of honor. Paladins are mounted knights. The Samurai could easily be a PrC for a Paladin or Paladin/Fighter. Or a chain of Intimidation feats for them, with perhaps one feat that allows you TWF without a high Dex...an alternate... =Paladin. Paladin/Fighter if you don't want the extra god-baggage. ONE feat could solve this. Call it Mighty Two-Weapon Fighting. It requires maybe a better BAB, and limits you to only two weapons...you don't need a class. Isn't specialized, elite, and campaign-specific the role for prestige classes? Otherwise, why the heck have ANY? And TWF with heavy armor is not that mind-boggling. The only 'new' thing the class brings to bear is the intimidation powers, which still work well as a feat chain, or PrC ability progression. OR, he could be specialized in excactly that form of fighting without having to multiclass in an elite, specialized, campaign-specific BASE class...or qualifying for an elite, specialized, campaign-specific PRESTIGE class. I'm happy they've moved away from the glut of PrC's, but PrC's DO have a role, and should be utilized to fill that role. Base classes are just that -- bases. Basic. Defining of a character from a low level, a pedestal on which to build and ornament with feats and possibly Prestige classes (which represent focus, elitism, or a specific campaign role). I love the Swashbuckler and the Hexblade as base classes, and wouldn't want to take them out of that role. The Samurai, however, brings nothing *base* to the table. It's not a pedestal, it's a fully ornamented statue already. That's what a PrC can do. That's not a role for the base class.... This is all just IMHO, but if base classes are used for campaign-specific, elite, specialized warriors what, excatly, do PrC's do? [/QUOTE]
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