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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 1298117" data-attributes="member: 957">Well, like I said, it is a small thing.  I certainly do not think that it is disruptive.But I think you under-rate the value of a DEX fighter being able to dump points into tumble.  As you point out, skills are minor to the fighter.  But getting 5 ranks in tumble is ten skill points to a normal fighter.  Plus they get away from the cross-class max rank cap.  Since they don't really need skill points anyway, getting to spend two points per fighter level and maintain tumble at level+3 is quite good for a DEX fighter.  Granted, further improvement in Tumble starts to drop off in value eventually, but not before the value in this option is realized.  I agree that the weapon feats are a cost.  But the slight delay of that is more than off-set by the gain of resources that would otherwise be completely unavailable.  Plus, it is a reality of gaming that many characters simply spring into being at higher levels.  So the idea of waiting for an ability is often a mirage.Again, I'm not worked up over it.  But that's my criticism of this class.</blockquote>