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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 7445077" data-attributes="member: 20564"><p>To me, this feels like arguments against climate change. "Well, some scientists say yes, and some scientists say no, so there is no truth."</p><p></p><p>When really, well over 95% of climate scientists have some strong level of agreement that it's happening and the gross symptoms and causes, even if they may vary in what particulars they have studied.</p><p></p><p>Same for balance. It's pretty easy to get a consensus on gross violations of game balance. "Hey, let's let sorcerers have an unlimited number of spell slots of any spell level" can be seen to be unbalanced against the other classes, and except for that one guy (because there's always that one guy) who argues that it's fine, everyone can agree.</p><p></p><p>So yes, <em>perfect</em> balance is entirely table dependent and there isn't a universal truth, but that doesn't invalidate that as you move farther from that fluzzy point, you can get more and more consensus and have a working metric of balance pretty easily.</p><p></p><p>In other words, I agree with your point that there is no "objective point of balance" that fits everyone, but that trying to apply that to all discussions of relative balance is reductio ad absurdum. The majority of cases there can be a clear consensus if something is more or less balanced against other points.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Blue, post: 7445077, member: 20564"] To me, this feels like arguments against climate change. "Well, some scientists say yes, and some scientists say no, so there is no truth." When really, well over 95% of climate scientists have some strong level of agreement that it's happening and the gross symptoms and causes, even if they may vary in what particulars they have studied. Same for balance. It's pretty easy to get a consensus on gross violations of game balance. "Hey, let's let sorcerers have an unlimited number of spell slots of any spell level" can be seen to be unbalanced against the other classes, and except for that one guy (because there's always that one guy) who argues that it's fine, everyone can agree. So yes, [I]perfect[/I] balance is entirely table dependent and there isn't a universal truth, but that doesn't invalidate that as you move farther from that fluzzy point, you can get more and more consensus and have a working metric of balance pretty easily. In other words, I agree with your point that there is no "objective point of balance" that fits everyone, but that trying to apply that to all discussions of relative balance is reductio ad absurdum. The majority of cases there can be a clear consensus if something is more or less balanced against other points. [/QUOTE]
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