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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3740567" data-attributes="member: 30001">"The biggest thing I've noticed is the sense of danger" (to paraphrase).  That's just the first quote.  How liberal do I have to be?  How do you get from "sense of danger" to knowing how the poster feels about the existence of specific rules?Lack of focus and lack of existence are two different things.  Maybe I'm not being liberal enough with your statements.  When you say "people say there were no balance rules in 1E" and none of the 4 quotes say that, I thought it worth pointing out.  No sense in attributing an extreme attitude to people who haven't expressed it.What "monster levels" are you talking about?  Wandering monster encounter tables for dungeons?  First of all those don't even cover non-dungeon monsters.  Secondly, Tiamat shows up on the Level X chart!  You really think Gygax was saying that Tiamat was a 10th level encounter?  A minotaur shows up as a Dungeon level V monster, and in a level 1-3 dungeon.  I don't think there was anything that looks like the CR system in 1E, and I really don't think that the wandering monster charts for dungeons were that.That being said, people talked about encounter balance in the 1E days, and I'm sure there was a Dragon Mag article that perhaps tried to propose a system for calculating challenges.  I think it goes too far to suggest that 1E didn't care about encounter balance.So IMO the truth is in the middle, and I don't think it clarifies anything to assume that a statement that refutes an extreme automatically supports the opposite extreme.  Though that is Rule 1 for the edition wars IME.</blockquote>

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