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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3741610" data-attributes="member: 30001">Why?  So I can stop being able to comprehend what people write?  Why take a bunch of statements that don't mean what you say they do and then claim they mean that because some other post somewhere says what you think they mean?  Either quote the relevant part of that person's thread, or don't quote them at all.  It's misleading, and probably erroneous, to attribute an opinion to someone's post that doesn't make it.  And that's par for the course with the edition wars, because I've often had the feeling when explaining things to either side that I was arguing with someone that wasn't listening to me, but instead was rehashing an argument that they had with someone else.  Then, you can either find a post that actually says that.  Or you can say "I've seen something like the following:  " and would like to talk about it.  But quoting four people at random that aren't saying that and claiming that it's what they mean makes no sense to me.Well, I've never seen a "monster by level" chart anywhere in 1E.  And I mean LEVEL.  Now if you mean dungeon level then both the DMG and MM2 have those charts, but neither is intended to include all monsters.  The MM2 went with a format that dispensed with the dice rolls and just listed the monsters, but it was the same basic thing as what was in the DMG.And there's also a question of how to translate character level to dungeon level.  I have a hard time believing, as my Tiamat example illustrates, that Level X meant what CR 10 means in 3E.  Of course it doesn't mean the level of the dungeon either because there's a seperate chart that maps the chart level with a dungeon level.</blockquote>

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