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<blockquote data-quote="kaomera" data-source="post: 4455597" data-attributes="member: 38357">This has to be a group consensus, and I think it can work either way. Just not so much if you have a bunch of differing expectations in the same group. So, in a sense you need to optimize the players before you start thinking about the characters.I absolutely let other players make whatever characters they want. I have never seen forcefully pushing a player towards a more (or even less) optimized (or whatever) build work out well. If we just can't make our expectations meet in a useful way, then we need to not be playing in the same group.Personally I like to think that I'm in the middle-of-the-road on this issue; I don't like over-optimized characters, or players who can't talk / think about anything but optimization. But on the other hand I also don't like it when a player has a character that can't really do anything useful, just because they where being a spazz during character creation (especially if they seem to think that they really where optimizing their character).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kaomera, post: 4455597, member: 38357"] This has to be a group consensus, and I think it can work either way. Just not so much if you have a bunch of differing expectations in the same group. So, in a sense you need to optimize the players before you start thinking about the characters. I absolutely let other players make whatever characters they want. I have never seen forcefully pushing a player towards a more (or even less) optimized (or whatever) build work out well. If we just can't make our expectations meet in a useful way, then we need to not be playing in the same group. Personally I like to think that I'm in the middle-of-the-road on this issue; I don't like over-optimized characters, or players who can't talk / think about anything but optimization. But on the other hand I also don't like it when a player has a character that can't really do anything useful, just because they where being a spazz during character creation (especially if they seem to think that they really where optimizing their character). [/QUOTE]

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