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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zillah" data-source="post: 4455786" data-attributes="member: 72423">Actually when i started with a new group I almost got flack for constantly optimizing and trying to help them optimize. They op for RP stuff, i op to do the best I can, because optimized to me is fun. They have their own definition of fun. Which is fine. I play the defender, and I do my job they do theirs.You can be optimized and still RP well. For example, my first encounter with my paladin of the Raven Queen was with undead. My character HATES undead! And the group was laughing that I was neutral but acting lawful good. My RP reason was the dogma of the Raven Queen. And of course, the natural death thing as well for my party members.In certain situations, a non optimized party can hurt yes, but think about this because it will slap you in the face one day. No matter how optimized your character is, the dice can bone you. Hell, the players can bone you! 4.0 was made so that no matter how good you look on paper, the dice can hurt you and the party.Ahh, WoW. My memories of it will never go away. Also, spending time optimizing there, and with my old group is what makes me see the optimization so easily. But, I realize that DND is a roleplaying game for people to have FUN with. Even if their character sucks, if they are having fun, thats what matters. As I am sure you know from WOW...you can suggest things to players if you feel the need.In fact I would reccomend that because in WOW if your warlocks(this is what I was) weren't hit capped, you didn't raid, and if you weren't ready you didn't raid. It wasn't a joke. We didn't want to waste 4 hours.It is very different in 4.0. You mentioned tanking gorehowl. Just remember that sometimes roles are different for classes even in WOW! I have tanked twin emps...I think I tanked ragnaros...I have tanked heroics in season 3 vengeful gear...and leotheras as well among others higher up. This is why different builds in 4.0 exist. Think about that.</blockquote>

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