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<blockquote data-quote="ogre" data-source="post: 4455819" data-attributes="member: 4671">Personally, this kind of optimized-party thinking really turns me off. It's a forerunner for thinking you can 'win' this game. yuk. The characters themselves can be optimized or not as the player desires. I'm happy 4e attempts to remove the metagame thinking 'we need a cleric' of the older editions. I say let people make the characters they want to play, let the DM figure out how to keep the campaign viable and fun.I think Mouseferatu said it best in an above post.For example, 10 years or so ago I DM'd 2nd edition for 3 players. A minotaur fighter/rogue, a human fighter and an elven archer. It was one of the funnest campaigns ever. As a matter of fact one of the players mentioned to me the other day he found a fellow gamer at work and was remenicing about that game and mentioned how cool it was they were all warriors, and yet the game still worked perfectly fine.I'm hoping 4e doesn't fail in this regard. It's at least better than 3e, with the healing. Time will tell. Or perhaps, other will post and tell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ogre, post: 4455819, member: 4671"] Personally, this kind of optimized-party thinking really turns me off. It's a forerunner for thinking you can 'win' this game. yuk. The characters themselves can be optimized or not as the player desires. I'm happy 4e attempts to remove the metagame thinking 'we need a cleric' of the older editions. I say let people make the characters they want to play, let the DM figure out how to keep the campaign viable and fun. I think Mouseferatu said it best in an above post. For example, 10 years or so ago I DM'd 2nd edition for 3 players. A minotaur fighter/rogue, a human fighter and an elven archer. It was one of the funnest campaigns ever. As a matter of fact one of the players mentioned to me the other day he found a fellow gamer at work and was remenicing about that game and mentioned how cool it was they were all warriors, and yet the game still worked perfectly fine. I'm hoping 4e doesn't fail in this regard. It's at least better than 3e, with the healing. Time will tell. Or perhaps, other will post and tell. [/QUOTE]

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