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<blockquote data-quote="Griogre" data-source="post: 4455860" data-attributes="member: 21138">I read somewhere there are really 3 ranks: Front (melee), mid (buffers, short range attacks) and back (long range attackers).&nbsp; Thus far that seems a really good insight to me.&nbsp; If you don't have a front to keep people off the range guys because the monsters are so mobile you can have real problems.To the OP:&nbsp; I'm in the middle on optimized and balanced vs. anything the player(s) wants to do.&nbsp; I tell my guys they should get together and come up with a balanced party.&nbsp; However, because the game *is* suppose to be fun I tell them to play the character you want, and if that means the group is missing some type of characters you will need to compensate for it.&nbsp; I also tell them that whatever character they make, I expect it to be effective (doesn’t need to be optimized) and contribute to the group.&nbsp; Now for my KotS game I told them I wanted everyone to take a different class from everyone else.&nbsp; I did this mostly so we would all get a chance to see as many classes as possible in action, since I looked as the game as a &quot;Meet 4th Edition&quot; game so our goal was learn 4th edition as well as the usual lets have some fun RPGing one.However, from long experience running - I will tell you Mouseferatu is dead on.&nbsp; Badly unbalanced or ineffective parties are inherently self correcting and not necessarily just from TPKs or character deaths.&nbsp; In my experience if a party is way out of wack, I will often get some of the players coming to me asking to change or make new characters to solve the problem.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Griogre, post: 4455860, member: 21138"] I read somewhere there are really 3 ranks: Front (melee), mid (buffers, short range attacks) and back (long range attackers). Thus far that seems a really good insight to me. If you don't have a front to keep people off the range guys because the monsters are so mobile you can have real problems. To the OP: I'm in the middle on optimized and balanced vs. anything the player(s) wants to do. I tell my guys they should get together and come up with a balanced party. However, because the game *is* suppose to be fun I tell them to play the character you want, and if that means the group is missing some type of characters you will need to compensate for it. I also tell them that whatever character they make, I expect it to be effective (doesn’t need to be optimized) and contribute to the group. Now for my KotS game I told them I wanted everyone to take a different class from everyone else. I did this mostly so we would all get a chance to see as many classes as possible in action, since I looked as the game as a "Meet 4th Edition" game so our goal was learn 4th edition as well as the usual lets have some fun RPGing one. However, from long experience running - I will tell you Mouseferatu is dead on. Badly unbalanced or ineffective parties are inherently self correcting and not necessarily just from TPKs or character deaths. In my experience if a party is way out of wack, I will often get some of the players coming to me asking to change or make new characters to solve the problem. [/QUOTE]

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