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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 3576824" data-attributes="member: 22882"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> Gnomes and halflings below elves?  Seriously?  I consider both competitive with humans and not *hugely* behind dwarves, and leagues ahead of elves (honestly, I'm inclined to rank half-elves above elves, since while they get very little, they don't lose a TON due to having a penalty to the most important stat).Gnomes simply by virtue of having Con +2 are above the curve.  Str is virtually useless for most powerful characters, so it's not much of an issue.  Same with weapon damage; the only time it becomes relevant is if you use stacking weapon size increases for a medium character, which can get you truly devastating Huge or Gargantuan weapons; the difference between Small and Medium (and Medium and Large) is too small to be relevant.  The only real knock on gnomes is their reduced speed, but that only comes into play if you have to retreat - and Small PCs can take mounts into dungeons until the levels where retreat becomes a matter of spellcasting or failure.Halflings get the second-best stat (Dex) and a penalty to one of the worst (Str), and they get a BONUS TO ALL SAVES.  Not as good as the Dwarven +2 to essentially all saves, but still very good, especially coupled with being very hard to hit (small and with a Dex bonus).  Nothing much else of worth, admittedly.  They have the same movement penalty/mount bonus as gnomes.</blockquote>

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