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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3605148" data-attributes="member: 6562">That doesn't help those of us trying to help you. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> There are technical reasons why a total of +12 to ability scores is too much for LA +1. You've brought up a bunch of practical examples trying to show that it's not too strong, but consider that your players may be smarter -- or more motivated -- than all of us in finding the specific cases where the applied bonus is maximized.If you're playing AE, I think you'll find that a lot of the classes have MAD (multiple ability dependency).The only way I could see this race having the desired effect would be if you only allowed characters to use a fixed array of ability stats (e.g. "elite array" 15,14,13,12,10,8).If you allow point-buy, I think you'll get cases like this:Human: Str 14, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 13, Cha 10 -- "Don't want a penalty to Int or Cha, but don't much care about them either..."Perfect: Str 18, Dex 15, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 10 -- "Sweet, I can take two from Int and Cha and put them in Str instead... and still no penalties!" I'd consider that to be about right -- a Human Warrior 2 is also CR 1, right? NPC classes are "balanced" by pretty much sucking no matter what your ability scores are...Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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