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Message: <blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 3258750" data-attributes="member: 1164">Tactically it is important to deny your foes actions. Players regardless of party size have to accept this and learn the ins and outs of taking the ready and delay actions. The designers of underground fortifications intentionally do this to get larger units of foes to go through a meat grinder. Pretty soon the DM of an 8 person party will realize that barriers and obstacles are needed to prevent one round kills on foes that need to challenge the party Then the onus is on the party to prevent such a situation. One healer readies a healing spell for an ally that gets badly wounded, another tank prepares to take a 5’ adjustment in front of his buddy as he returns fire. I agree. An ogre vs 8 level ones will likely lose, but depending on the terrain and LOS, will splat one or two. Lives are not really an expendable party resource until raising is affordable.  I’d be insulted if I was playing in an 8 person party and all we got were 4 goblin warriors in the first encounter.</blockquote>