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<blockquote data-quote="shurai" data-source="post: 3745446">I wanted to prove to you that your contention, that a shield-using character is equivalent in overall adventuring effectiveness to a character that uses large weapons, is false, and provably so by that experiment I suggested.&nbsp; It's not just about more damage; instead it's about tradeoffs.&nbsp; I can show systematically that the AC loss is too small for the massive gain in damage; lots of people have done so already.If you think melee generally is too weak, that's a different argument and I'm not sure I know enough to really participate.&nbsp; I have heard that, for example, archery is too strong, even stronger than large weapons.&nbsp; Is this true, and is there any other evidence about melee's weakness?I agree actually that de-revising Power Attack wouldn't really fix it, because if you'll notice, I already said I believed large weapons were too good even in Edition 3.0.&nbsp; : ]Anyway, I agree with the other changes too, that TWF is too expensive in feats and that shields aren't effective enough generally.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shurai, post: 3745446"] I wanted to prove to you that your contention, that a shield-using character is equivalent in overall adventuring effectiveness to a character that uses large weapons, is false, and provably so by that experiment I suggested. It's not just about more damage; instead it's about tradeoffs. I can show systematically that the AC loss is too small for the massive gain in damage; lots of people have done so already. If you think melee generally is too weak, that's a different argument and I'm not sure I know enough to really participate. I have heard that, for example, archery is too strong, even stronger than large weapons. Is this true, and is there any other evidence about melee's weakness? I agree actually that de-revising Power Attack wouldn't really fix it, because if you'll notice, I already said I believed large weapons were too good even in Edition 3.0. : ] Anyway, I agree with the other changes too, that TWF is too expensive in feats and that shields aren't effective enough generally. [/QUOTE]

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