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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SableWyvern" data-source="post: 239776" data-attributes="member: 1008">Corwin is right - the PHB description is hard to understand. To try and help clarify things, I'll run through the example given in the PHB step by step.This is the only direct reference to a primary attack bonus in the entire example: +10.NB: although this phrase is specifically talking about only the iterative attack, it gives the full attack bonus on the row from which is was derived (+10/+5) - this becomes important later.This phrase is also talking specifically about iterative attacks: "the two additional unarmed attacks" ... "+4 and +1.Although it then goes on to list the +7/+4/+1, the context and the NB above make it clear (after you stop to think about it) that the section in brackets is merely there to refer you to the table and row from which the information is derived.The section should then have gone on to point out bluntly that the monk in question may attack unarmed at +10/+5 OR +10/+4/+1. Had it done so, all this pain could have been averted. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> The quote in my original post, together with those in this one, should put the question beyond doubt, from a rules-lawyer's perspective anyway.BTW, thanks for confirming the FAQ status for me Lela. That's what I thought (as soon as I saw the Sage listed in the credits on p1, I guessed I was in the right <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />).EDIT: Great. While I'm busy typing, everyone posts to make this redundant. That's what you get for trying to help out grumble grumble grumble....<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

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