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<blockquote data-quote="Odhanan" data-source="post: 2741731" data-attributes="member: 12324">Agreed. This is bad encounter design, and plain bad DMing if your players don't appreciate that kind of deadly dungeon crawl. This is has nothing to do with fudging or not fudging, IMO.IME, they always end up knowing. As a player, I myself can feel when I'm railroaded, lied to when it comes to dice results or given silly justifications for stuff that happens in the game and goes against this or that rule/principle. When a DM fudges dice, that annoys me as a player. It usually demonstrates a poor knowledge of the rules, laziness and/or a &quot;novelist&quot; approach to DMing when it comes to adventure design. If I don't want to bother as GM with 700 pages of rules, I'll play Castles and Crusades instead of D&amp;D.Sure, if your players don't mind when you fudge, then by all means, do! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> But from what you're saying, it looks like they're not aware of it. And that is cheating/lying, by my book anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Odhanan, post: 2741731, member: 12324"] Agreed. This is bad encounter design, and plain bad DMing if your players don't appreciate that kind of deadly dungeon crawl. This is has nothing to do with fudging or not fudging, IMO. IME, they always end up knowing. As a player, I myself can feel when I'm railroaded, lied to when it comes to dice results or given silly justifications for stuff that happens in the game and goes against this or that rule/principle. When a DM fudges dice, that annoys me as a player. It usually demonstrates a poor knowledge of the rules, laziness and/or a "novelist" approach to DMing when it comes to adventure design. If I don't want to bother as GM with 700 pages of rules, I'll play Castles and Crusades instead of D&D. Sure, if your players don't mind when you fudge, then by all means, do! :) But from what you're saying, it looks like they're not aware of it. And that is cheating/lying, by my book anyway. [/QUOTE]

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