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<blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 2746085" data-attributes="member: 14140"></blockquote>believe me, my biggest complaint with DND is that the die is too big. i make no bones about that. However, by starting games at no lower than 5th level (so the skill modifier is &quot;big enough&quot; to play a significant role compared with the die) and a few other house rules, I manage to mitigate that somewhat.But, there are a LOT of reasons to play DND other than its randomness.&quot;with all the fudging&quot;. geesh. Just how many &quot;really bad results&quot; do you think DND produces that you have to keep surmising that those who fudge in the system have to do it so often?Ok, let me state this simply: even though you might not think so, there is a lot more to DnD than the randomness. My players don't play DND because &quot;on a bad die roll or string of bad dice our characters might die!!&quot; Really, they don't. From discussions with them, often about my house rules, the &quot;one roll dead&quot; aspects of DND are some of the elements they dislike and are happy to see that i have adjusted them with house rules and the like. We play DND in spite of the randomness, not because of it, for all the good things about the game.if you really cannot see why anyone would play dnd for reasons other than the randomness, thn you seem to be far more critical of it than i.as for other systems, every system i have ever played has been house ruled and none of them was perfect. Every system brings its own baggage. DND is no different.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="swrushing, post: 2746085, member: 14140"] [/QUOTE] believe me, my biggest complaint with DND is that the die is too big. i make no bones about that. However, by starting games at no lower than 5th level (so the skill modifier is "big enough" to play a significant role compared with the die) and a few other house rules, I manage to mitigate that somewhat. But, there are a LOT of reasons to play DND other than its randomness. "with all the fudging". geesh. Just how many "really bad results" do you think DND produces that you have to keep surmising that those who fudge in the system have to do it so often? Ok, let me state this simply: even though you might not think so, there is a lot more to DnD than the randomness. My players don't play DND because "on a bad die roll or string of bad dice our characters might die!!" Really, they don't. From discussions with them, often about my house rules, the "one roll dead" aspects of DND are some of the elements they dislike and are happy to see that i have adjusted them with house rules and the like. We play DND in spite of the randomness, not because of it, for all the good things about the game. if you really cannot see why anyone would play dnd for reasons other than the randomness, thn you seem to be far more critical of it than i. as for other systems, every system i have ever played has been house ruled and none of them was perfect. Every system brings its own baggage. DND is no different. [/QUOTE]

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