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<blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 2747846" data-attributes="member: 14140">you know, i know its in vogue these days to really broaden the definition of railroading to encompass a lot more than its original starting (and negative connotations), so that even simple plotting techniques or anything short of random monsters fits the bill, but to try and place &quot;fudging away a lethal failure on the part of a PC&quot; or ostensibly to &quot;allow a PC to succeed instead of fail at **his chosen action** by fudging&quot; as railroading is too much for me.railroading, to me,&nbsp; is not allowing the players to make choices (or not allowing their characters to&nbsp; succeed when they make those choices) which will not fit your preconception of where events will unfold. if you see fudging in that, we are off vastly different experiences.understanding that i make no claims that apply for ALL GAMES EVERYWHERE, but speak only for my games and those i game with and I do suspect also that there are those with similar styles and preferences for whom it would also be true....I am saying it &quot;hurts the game&quot; to not fudge when the dice misfire and the system produces a bad result. However, i am not parsing this term &quot;game&quot; to mean one part of the event at all cuz i see them all as interrelated parts. My &quot;game&quot;, which is the event where my players and i get together and have &quot;a gaming session&quot; is harmed when the results produced are &quot;not fun.&quot; (before the retorts begin, this is not the same as saying &quot;always succeed at everything they do&quot;.)Having a PC die a &quot;non-heroic pointless death&quot; before the plots and sub-plots to which he is VITAL have reached any sort of satisfying conclusion, either for success or for failure, and dying before those secrets and mysteries that were part of his development from day one have been revealed and dealt with... those &quot;hurt the game&quot; for me and mine.For those for whom this isn't a problem, those who see value in &quot;non-heroic pointless deaths&quot;, etc... for them it likely won't &quot;hurt the game&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="swrushing, post: 2747846, member: 14140"] you know, i know its in vogue these days to really broaden the definition of railroading to encompass a lot more than its original starting (and negative connotations), so that even simple plotting techniques or anything short of random monsters fits the bill, but to try and place "fudging away a lethal failure on the part of a PC" or ostensibly to "allow a PC to succeed instead of fail at **his chosen action** by fudging" as railroading is too much for me. railroading, to me, is not allowing the players to make choices (or not allowing their characters to succeed when they make those choices) which will not fit your preconception of where events will unfold. if you see fudging in that, we are off vastly different experiences. understanding that i make no claims that apply for ALL GAMES EVERYWHERE, but speak only for my games and those i game with and I do suspect also that there are those with similar styles and preferences for whom it would also be true.... I am saying it "hurts the game" to not fudge when the dice misfire and the system produces a bad result. However, i am not parsing this term "game" to mean one part of the event at all cuz i see them all as interrelated parts. My "game", which is the event where my players and i get together and have "a gaming session" is harmed when the results produced are "not fun." (before the retorts begin, this is not the same as saying "always succeed at everything they do".) Having a PC die a "non-heroic pointless death" before the plots and sub-plots to which he is VITAL have reached any sort of satisfying conclusion, either for success or for failure, and dying before those secrets and mysteries that were part of his development from day one have been revealed and dealt with... those "hurt the game" for me and mine. For those for whom this isn't a problem, those who see value in "non-heroic pointless deaths", etc... for them it likely won't "hurt the game". [/QUOTE]

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