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Balancing Vow of Poverty at 18th level
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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4182573" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>But this isn't an actual monk, it's an Oathsworn, which get several abilities that just plain overlap with VoP. I assume this group is allowing mixing of AE and D&D? I never understood how that could ever work. AE's assumption that "belt of str +2" belts don't exist, D&D's more powerful spells, etc... I have to ask, that you can take VoP <strong>at all</strong>, your DM allows you to mix feats from both? Or are the AE feats just not allowed, and you'd have to play an unbound?</p><p></p><p>1) Maybe. Don't you already start with an extra feat over normal D&D characters anyway?</p><p>2) Wands of Lesser Vigor are a joke expense at this level. Seems fine.</p><p>3) Or make new, actually useful exalted feats, that don't require that ridiculous cha 15 like a bunch of the monk ones do. One group I was in made up two: Piety - Lets you use Wis instead of Cha to qualify for exalted feats; Thoughtweave - Enables short ranged telepathy with others who have the feat. Your group could probably make up some more, including one or two tied to Oathsworn abilities.</p><p>4) I don't know about that... Maybe as an exalted feat, kind of like Shield Ward?</p><p>5) I think the nromal boosts are fine, although you can't cover all 6 abilities, so maybe branch out rather than up.</p><p></p><p>I will say, from both theoretical analysis and in game experience, the ability to <strong>fly</strong> would seem the most important high level add-in to me. Against well prepared foes, ahigh level melee guy w/o that ability is hosed--and you don't have the luxury of just buying winged boots.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4182573, member: 35909"] But this isn't an actual monk, it's an Oathsworn, which get several abilities that just plain overlap with VoP. I assume this group is allowing mixing of AE and D&D? I never understood how that could ever work. AE's assumption that "belt of str +2" belts don't exist, D&D's more powerful spells, etc... I have to ask, that you can take VoP [B]at all[/B], your DM allows you to mix feats from both? Or are the AE feats just not allowed, and you'd have to play an unbound? 1) Maybe. Don't you already start with an extra feat over normal D&D characters anyway? 2) Wands of Lesser Vigor are a joke expense at this level. Seems fine. 3) Or make new, actually useful exalted feats, that don't require that ridiculous cha 15 like a bunch of the monk ones do. One group I was in made up two: Piety - Lets you use Wis instead of Cha to qualify for exalted feats; Thoughtweave - Enables short ranged telepathy with others who have the feat. Your group could probably make up some more, including one or two tied to Oathsworn abilities. 4) I don't know about that... Maybe as an exalted feat, kind of like Shield Ward? 5) I think the nromal boosts are fine, although you can't cover all 6 abilities, so maybe branch out rather than up. I will say, from both theoretical analysis and in game experience, the ability to [B]fly[/B] would seem the most important high level add-in to me. Against well prepared foes, ahigh level melee guy w/o that ability is hosed--and you don't have the luxury of just buying winged boots. [/QUOTE]
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