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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scott2978" data-source="post: 5846361" data-attributes="member: 6667922">I think you may be missing the point. This discussion is about player character wizards and clerics being overpowered inherently by RAW. While I do not dispute anything you say, what you say is mostly not important. If the PC wizard uses the tactics you describe, he will certainly get away from the fighter, but in doing so he loses the fight. If the PC wizard never engages the fighter successfully, he will stay at his current level forever, which I'm sure the NPC fighter, who was made to be defeated in the first place, is just fine with <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Besides, I only used a fighter as one example of the literally limitless options open to a DM to deal with a seemingly overpowered PC wizard.  Again, it is not the job of the OP to get that fighter into melee. It is the job of the PC wizard to defeat him! It does not matter if the wizard can teleport, fly, expeditiously retreat, etc. If he doesn't face and defeat the fighter, then the wizard loses and gains no xp. Perhaps then in that case the NPC fighter actually gains xp for defeating the wizard!  The Magic Item Compendium Meh. So the wizard casts a conjuration. All he's going to do with it is A) acid spells which are easily resisted with readily available low level magic or B) cast a summon spell which takes a full round during which the wizard cannot even move! Mage-slaying fighter charges FTW.  This is a fantastic idea that, should a PC wizard come to think of it, should be well rewarded by allowing it to work.  I've only used the fighter as one example. If this was my campaign, I would have an entire book of ideas lined up to deal with the PC wizard to prevent him from becomming overpowered. Everything from the rarity of his spell components to devils attempting to lure him into a bargain for his well-proven services. You can also use terrain, weather and the circumstances of the engagements to limit PC wizards.  <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does the fight happen within an area known to have a teleportation trap nearby?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Does the fight happen within a cramped dungeon corridor?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Are there more than 1 of these fighters after the PC?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is the fighter the son of a Lawful Good noble who would be enraged by the defeat of his only son by "lawbreaking adventurers"?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is the fight in a thick forest or jungle, limiting visibility?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is the fight inside a volcano? Under water? In a demiplane with different rules of how magic functions?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Is the fighter ethereal? Invisible? An illusion? A doppleganger of a close friend?</li> </ul>These and thousands upon thousands of other ideas should be more than enough to keep a PC wizard in check. Lets not get off the topic of a PC wizard being overpowered by RAW. I'm sure it would be a fascinating debate about the fighter and the wizard, but that's really not the point here.   Scott</blockquote>

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