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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9244762" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>But that is it itself a hard and arrogant idea, no? Because humans and human-like being are subjective beings, ruled by <em>perceptions</em>, and how does the Truth in this hard sense relate to that? The idea that there's only one truth is itself a very settler-colonial-type idea - that doesn't make it unusable or whatever, but it makes it very different for example, from Honesty. Honesty is a virtue of striving to ideal - to be truthful to yourself and others, to never bear false witness, to express what you think is actually true, in your eyes and so on. It doesn't require perfection and it's not a "hard" thing because it's an ideal not an absolute.</p><p></p><p>But Truth as you express it (and apparently as I correctly intuited) is a hard-edged absolute. A binary. Either something is true or it is not. A human could never judge that, as human is a filthy subjective little being full of perceptions and feelings ("What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets."). But a god could, and it could offer judgement or guidance on what the truth was. Even that though is going to be difficult, because the reality is that "truth" tends to be extremely complex and nuanced and it's unlikely a religion requiring worship is going to be friendly to that idea.</p><p></p><p>I also think it's a misfit with the other deities, as evidenced by it not having the possibility of failing. I feel like you should reconsider this element - perhaps change it to Honesty, which could fall into Cruelty. YMMV and it's your setting of course.</p><p></p><p>That's an interesting take - and calling Prosperity makes sense because it can fall - otherwise I'd have thought rephrasing to Abundance would have made sense, but if it can fall into Greed, Prosperity is perfect.</p><p></p><p>A people are defined by their values. Any society which puts Justice as separate from Truth (!!!) and also makes primary virtues of Liberty and Unity (!!!), but which doesn't make Compassion or Love or the like into equal virtues or gods, but just as lesser functional parts of those is telling you something big and important about itself. About what it actually cares about. I suspect a society with those values would be extremely effective and efficient as a society, but also probably prone to grinding people up and spitting them out, especially anyone who didn't "fit in". Every society has its downsides - any one that pretends it doesn't is just hiding something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9244762, member: 18"] But that is it itself a hard and arrogant idea, no? Because humans and human-like being are subjective beings, ruled by [I]perceptions[/I], and how does the Truth in this hard sense relate to that? The idea that there's only one truth is itself a very settler-colonial-type idea - that doesn't make it unusable or whatever, but it makes it very different for example, from Honesty. Honesty is a virtue of striving to ideal - to be truthful to yourself and others, to never bear false witness, to express what you think is actually true, in your eyes and so on. It doesn't require perfection and it's not a "hard" thing because it's an ideal not an absolute. But Truth as you express it (and apparently as I correctly intuited) is a hard-edged absolute. A binary. Either something is true or it is not. A human could never judge that, as human is a filthy subjective little being full of perceptions and feelings ("What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets."). But a god could, and it could offer judgement or guidance on what the truth was. Even that though is going to be difficult, because the reality is that "truth" tends to be extremely complex and nuanced and it's unlikely a religion requiring worship is going to be friendly to that idea. I also think it's a misfit with the other deities, as evidenced by it not having the possibility of failing. I feel like you should reconsider this element - perhaps change it to Honesty, which could fall into Cruelty. YMMV and it's your setting of course. That's an interesting take - and calling Prosperity makes sense because it can fall - otherwise I'd have thought rephrasing to Abundance would have made sense, but if it can fall into Greed, Prosperity is perfect. A people are defined by their values. Any society which puts Justice as separate from Truth (!!!) and also makes primary virtues of Liberty and Unity (!!!), but which doesn't make Compassion or Love or the like into equal virtues or gods, but just as lesser functional parts of those is telling you something big and important about itself. About what it actually cares about. I suspect a society with those values would be extremely effective and efficient as a society, but also probably prone to grinding people up and spitting them out, especially anyone who didn't "fit in". Every society has its downsides - any one that pretends it doesn't is just hiding something. [/QUOTE]
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