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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9244782" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>I'll throw a couple things into a spoiler just for you, even though this is a spoiler thread:</p><p></p><p>[SPOILER]</p><p>1) If you start turning away from the Emperor in your dreams after the Githyanki situation, after he tells you about Stelmane, confronting him about controlling you, he'll show you the TRUTH of what happened to Stelmane during their alliance... She was his puppet. Practically mindwiped in his presence, staring off with a half-smile of psionically-enforced compliance. It's the same scene you see where he's leaning over the table and someone comes in while they're talking and Stelmane has a glass of wine, you're just seeing the -full- picture.</p><p></p><p>He gloats that at least with you he's being kind enough to manipulate you, rather than giving you absolutely no choice or free will in the situation.</p><p></p><p>2) Orpheus has to either get his brain eaten or become a Mind Flayer so that Lae'zel has a martyr to fulfill the role of in the Astral Plane 'cause it's the only way her "Good" ending makes any sense. And if you're playing a Githyanki, you can go with her.</p><p></p><p>It's probably for the DLC they've been teasing.</p><p>[/SPOILER]</p><p></p><p>Each of the Virtues is the manifestation of that virtue. Justice -is- Justice. In the sense of right and wrong, crime and punishment, protecting people, etc. Now Justice -can- fall by not holding to Mercy and Proportionality... because Justice is a balancing act. Same as each of the other virtues. Except Truth.</p><p></p><p>Because regardless of two people's subjective perceptions, the truth remains. She does promote Honesty, but she can't "Fall" to lies. Because lies aren't truths. They're not an aspect of truth. They're antithetical to what truth is.</p><p></p><p>In truth (hah!) the religion will preach honesty in service to Truth. That it is her virtue and the way to uphold her ideals. But she definitely -is- an outlier.</p><p></p><p>And the reason is this:</p><p></p><p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Jean_L%C3%A9on_Gerome_1896_La_V%C3%A9rit%C3%A9_sortant_du_puits.JPG" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" /></p><p>Truth coming out of her well to shame mankind.</p><p></p><p>[USER=1125]@Tonguez[/USER] made the -excellent- suggestion of using Lady Liberty as a divine entity with an order of Paladins in her service. And that permutated into thinking of Lady Justice with her scales, Truth coming from her well, Liberty with her torch, and Fortune with her Cornucopia of coins...</p><p></p><p>Though I changed Fortune to Prosperity and the Coins to Food.</p><p></p><p>But Truth being the central pillar of the pantheon, the one who tries to hold things together and keep the others from falling by reminding them of the truth of who they are and what their goals are... It was powerful enough that I wanted her.</p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Oh.... no. The society didn't put Justice separate from Truth. The society didn't manifest the gods in this setting. These just -are- the gods of the reality. They're the ones who created the world and all the people in it. Who made the first soul and gave it to a mortal.</p><p></p><p>That said: Yeah. There's a LOT of truth to people being ground up in this society and spat out. Both by the gods -literally- using your soul until there's practically nothing left before they put you back into the world to reincarnate, and in the sense of capitalism and imperialism (both of which exist in the setting) being entirely capable of taking your soul, bit by bit, day by day, until there's literally nothing left and you become a soulless person just going through the motions.</p><p></p><p>Because being soulless doesn't kill you. It just makes you numb and indifferent. But that's a WHOLE other mechanical aspect of the setting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9244782, member: 6796468"] I'll throw a couple things into a spoiler just for you, even though this is a spoiler thread: [SPOILER] 1) If you start turning away from the Emperor in your dreams after the Githyanki situation, after he tells you about Stelmane, confronting him about controlling you, he'll show you the TRUTH of what happened to Stelmane during their alliance... She was his puppet. Practically mindwiped in his presence, staring off with a half-smile of psionically-enforced compliance. It's the same scene you see where he's leaning over the table and someone comes in while they're talking and Stelmane has a glass of wine, you're just seeing the -full- picture. He gloats that at least with you he's being kind enough to manipulate you, rather than giving you absolutely no choice or free will in the situation. 2) Orpheus has to either get his brain eaten or become a Mind Flayer so that Lae'zel has a martyr to fulfill the role of in the Astral Plane 'cause it's the only way her "Good" ending makes any sense. And if you're playing a Githyanki, you can go with her. It's probably for the DLC they've been teasing. [/SPOILER] Each of the Virtues is the manifestation of that virtue. Justice -is- Justice. In the sense of right and wrong, crime and punishment, protecting people, etc. Now Justice -can- fall by not holding to Mercy and Proportionality... because Justice is a balancing act. Same as each of the other virtues. Except Truth. Because regardless of two people's subjective perceptions, the truth remains. She does promote Honesty, but she can't "Fall" to lies. Because lies aren't truths. They're not an aspect of truth. They're antithetical to what truth is. In truth (hah!) the religion will preach honesty in service to Truth. That it is her virtue and the way to uphold her ideals. But she definitely -is- an outlier. And the reason is this: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Jean_L%C3%A9on_Gerome_1896_La_V%C3%A9rit%C3%A9_sortant_du_puits.JPG[/IMG] Truth coming out of her well to shame mankind. [USER=1125]@Tonguez[/USER] made the -excellent- suggestion of using Lady Liberty as a divine entity with an order of Paladins in her service. And that permutated into thinking of Lady Justice with her scales, Truth coming from her well, Liberty with her torch, and Fortune with her Cornucopia of coins... Though I changed Fortune to Prosperity and the Coins to Food. But Truth being the central pillar of the pantheon, the one who tries to hold things together and keep the others from falling by reminding them of the truth of who they are and what their goals are... It was powerful enough that I wanted her. :D Oh.... no. The society didn't put Justice separate from Truth. The society didn't manifest the gods in this setting. These just -are- the gods of the reality. They're the ones who created the world and all the people in it. Who made the first soul and gave it to a mortal. That said: Yeah. There's a LOT of truth to people being ground up in this society and spat out. Both by the gods -literally- using your soul until there's practically nothing left before they put you back into the world to reincarnate, and in the sense of capitalism and imperialism (both of which exist in the setting) being entirely capable of taking your soul, bit by bit, day by day, until there's literally nothing left and you become a soulless person just going through the motions. Because being soulless doesn't kill you. It just makes you numb and indifferent. But that's a WHOLE other mechanical aspect of the setting. [/QUOTE]
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