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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 9245556" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>No argument from me on that point!</p><p></p><p>Ehhh. That's not what I'm saying, Paul.</p><p></p><p>Let's do a quick rewrite that Shadowheart is Jenevelle and she's a Selunite from the word "Go" rather than a Sharran. And her parents were kidnapped by Viconia in service to Shar because Shar wants to torment Jenevelle because she's a loyal Selunite.</p><p></p><p>Shar is her antagonistic element and Selune is in her corner and she has a good relationship with Selune that involves Selune giving her guidance or even help to recover her parents and fight against the Absolute. Not "Comes in and does it for her" but offers concrete aid in the form of, say, a magic item to help along the way, or a hint at a key moment about where to turn to for aid.</p><p></p><p>In this version of the story you now have a character with a healthy relationship with their deity, a clear antagonist, a goal, and aid from their deity that isn't "Oh, I'll solve the problem for you."</p><p></p><p>To be clear: This is just one example of a way to have a character with a healthy relationship with their deity and still have antagonists, strife, and a story where the deity doesn't resolve all their problems for them. Not my preferred story instead of what we actually got for Shadowheart. Just a quick example.</p><p></p><p>Even if she's the first Mystra the point was that inconsistent writing of the character has a lot to do with the various "Mystras" that there have been over the years, with "Mystra 6? 7?" being an intentional exaggeration for comedic effect.</p><p></p><p>Ehhh... That some people disagree with a criticism doesn't make it a Canard. Where was the Sorcerer Supreme when the planet Earth was hatching a Celestial? They can literally sling-ring themself anywhere they like and have all kinds of magical wards to warn them when big things are happening.</p><p></p><p>"Dr. Strange was dead at the time" yeah, so there was a different Sorcerer Supreme with half as many Sorcerer-Trainees as pre-blip. But half is not 0.</p><p></p><p>I meeeeeeean... For the Avengers that's true. Deities in the Realms... slightly more arguable. Especially since multiple gods are in the storyline.</p><p></p><p>Sure. But the Absolute is going to destroy ALL of the mortal souls in existence to initiate the Grand Design. There will be no mortals on Faerun. Only Illithid. Even the Evil Gods should be opposing the Dead Three and the Netherbrain as hard as they possibly can. Granted, there's only so much they can do thanks to Ao's limits, but nothing at all?</p><p></p><p>'Kay.</p><p></p><p>Sure. I offered up an example of what they could've done that would've had a good deity in the mix from Act 1, though it would've required the Dark Urge or Tav to be the one carrying the Prism off the ship.</p><p></p><p>It would be a -very- different story. But one I'd love to play through! Honestly, more BG3 gameplay in general is required for me.</p><p></p><p>Whether that's player-created content, DLCs, a sequel... I just want more 'cause I really like both playing 5eish games and being able to play ridiculous 5eish games without getting judged for it.</p><p></p><p>The list of BG3 mods I'm looking at using, eventually, is expansive and whacky.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 9245556, member: 6796468"] No argument from me on that point! Ehhh. That's not what I'm saying, Paul. Let's do a quick rewrite that Shadowheart is Jenevelle and she's a Selunite from the word "Go" rather than a Sharran. And her parents were kidnapped by Viconia in service to Shar because Shar wants to torment Jenevelle because she's a loyal Selunite. Shar is her antagonistic element and Selune is in her corner and she has a good relationship with Selune that involves Selune giving her guidance or even help to recover her parents and fight against the Absolute. Not "Comes in and does it for her" but offers concrete aid in the form of, say, a magic item to help along the way, or a hint at a key moment about where to turn to for aid. In this version of the story you now have a character with a healthy relationship with their deity, a clear antagonist, a goal, and aid from their deity that isn't "Oh, I'll solve the problem for you." To be clear: This is just one example of a way to have a character with a healthy relationship with their deity and still have antagonists, strife, and a story where the deity doesn't resolve all their problems for them. Not my preferred story instead of what we actually got for Shadowheart. Just a quick example. Even if she's the first Mystra the point was that inconsistent writing of the character has a lot to do with the various "Mystras" that there have been over the years, with "Mystra 6? 7?" being an intentional exaggeration for comedic effect. Ehhh... That some people disagree with a criticism doesn't make it a Canard. Where was the Sorcerer Supreme when the planet Earth was hatching a Celestial? They can literally sling-ring themself anywhere they like and have all kinds of magical wards to warn them when big things are happening. "Dr. Strange was dead at the time" yeah, so there was a different Sorcerer Supreme with half as many Sorcerer-Trainees as pre-blip. But half is not 0. I meeeeeeean... For the Avengers that's true. Deities in the Realms... slightly more arguable. Especially since multiple gods are in the storyline. Sure. But the Absolute is going to destroy ALL of the mortal souls in existence to initiate the Grand Design. There will be no mortals on Faerun. Only Illithid. Even the Evil Gods should be opposing the Dead Three and the Netherbrain as hard as they possibly can. Granted, there's only so much they can do thanks to Ao's limits, but nothing at all? 'Kay. Sure. I offered up an example of what they could've done that would've had a good deity in the mix from Act 1, though it would've required the Dark Urge or Tav to be the one carrying the Prism off the ship. It would be a -very- different story. But one I'd love to play through! Honestly, more BG3 gameplay in general is required for me. Whether that's player-created content, DLCs, a sequel... I just want more 'cause I really like both playing 5eish games and being able to play ridiculous 5eish games without getting judged for it. The list of BG3 mods I'm looking at using, eventually, is expansive and whacky. [/QUOTE]
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