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<blockquote data-quote="erple2" data-source="post: 3162344" data-attributes="member: 47118">Maybe that's the confusion.&nbsp; When you fire a bow and arrow, the Weapon is the &quot;Bow-n-Arrow&quot; not &quot;the Bow&quot; and a separate weapon &quot;the Arrow&quot;...That's right.&nbsp; It's the arrow that has the bane quality, and thus applies when that arrow is fired at a &quot;favored&quot; target.No, the Bane quality increases the effective enhancement bonus of the Weapon being employed (in this case, Bow-n-Arrow)Wait.&nbsp; You just said that the Bow's enhancement bonus of +3 is used, and thus the shot is taken using +3.&nbsp; So why does the +2 vs +4 come in to play?&nbsp; You've already determined to use +3.&nbsp; Now, the Arrow's Bane bonus kicks in - increasing the effective bonus of the shot to +5...I still fail to see the substantive support in the rule section that applies here.That's true that the Bow doesn't have the Bane quality, the arrow does.&nbsp; Thus any shot that the arrow makes is treated as Bane.&nbsp; As a result, the Bane quality is applied to the arrow.&nbsp; However, I can certainly see some of the logic that you are describing:&nbsp; Ultimately, it boils down to WHEN the Bane quality is applied.&nbsp; Is that before the total bonus is determined, or after the total bonus is determined.&nbsp; Maybe that's also in how you would interpret the following:+1 fiery bow shoots a +2 arrow.&nbsp; Is the arrow that subsequently gets shot a +2 fiery arrow, or an arrow that is +2 that does +2 +1D6 damage on target.&nbsp; If you interpret it as the first, then Artoomis' (and WotC's, and my) interpretation is correct.&nbsp; If instead, you choose the second, then you are correct, (and WotC, Artoomis and myself are wrong).However, ultimately, it seems that I won't be able to ever convince you that your interpretation isn't correct, and you can't convince me that my interpretation is incorrect.Ahh... Rules debates!&nbsp; Too much fun!BTW, this sounds like a GREAT debate to be had over Beers...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="erple2, post: 3162344, member: 47118"] Maybe that's the confusion. When you fire a bow and arrow, the Weapon is the "Bow-n-Arrow" not "the Bow" and a separate weapon "the Arrow"... That's right. It's the arrow that has the bane quality, and thus applies when that arrow is fired at a "favored" target. No, the Bane quality increases the effective enhancement bonus of the Weapon being employed (in this case, Bow-n-Arrow) Wait. You just said that the Bow's enhancement bonus of +3 is used, and thus the shot is taken using +3. So why does the +2 vs +4 come in to play? You've already determined to use +3. Now, the Arrow's Bane bonus kicks in - increasing the effective bonus of the shot to +5... I still fail to see the substantive support in the rule section that applies here. That's true that the Bow doesn't have the Bane quality, the arrow does. Thus any shot that the arrow makes is treated as Bane. As a result, the Bane quality is applied to the arrow. However, I can certainly see some of the logic that you are describing: Ultimately, it boils down to WHEN the Bane quality is applied. Is that before the total bonus is determined, or after the total bonus is determined. Maybe that's also in how you would interpret the following: +1 fiery bow shoots a +2 arrow. Is the arrow that subsequently gets shot a +2 fiery arrow, or an arrow that is +2 that does +2 +1D6 damage on target. If you interpret it as the first, then Artoomis' (and WotC's, and my) interpretation is correct. If instead, you choose the second, then you are correct, (and WotC, Artoomis and myself are wrong). However, ultimately, it seems that I won't be able to ever convince you that your interpretation isn't correct, and you can't convince me that my interpretation is incorrect. Ahh... Rules debates! Too much fun! BTW, this sounds like a GREAT debate to be had over Beers... [/QUOTE]

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