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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 302079" data-attributes="member: 2205">Yes, when all is said and done, that's the explanation I find most likely as well.&nbsp; And since none of the market research (which I've only heard about second hand, obviously, not being a WotC employee) doesn't address the actual reasons why gamers do what what they do, all these arguments to try and &quot;prove&quot; me wrong with this misapplied quotes and such are pretty fruitless.Y'know, it's absolutely fine if you disagree with me.&nbsp; No problem.&nbsp; I'm not trying to claim I've got a monopoly on truth here or anything like that.&nbsp; But for Pete's sake, just admit that you have a different opinion, folks.&nbsp; These &quot;proofs&quot; that I'm constantly getting shoved in my face are pretty tiresome at this point.And, since this thread is already diverged on a tangent, let me address yours as well.&nbsp; The XP and CR system is more complex and less useful really than what we had before, except as a method of scaling one monster against another.&nbsp; Unless you have the &quot;ideal&quot; party of one rogue, one fighter, one wizard and one cleric of exactly the same level with exactly the DMG recommended equipment, then CRs are fairly meaningless.&nbsp; Assuming they were assigned right in the first place.&nbsp; Trying to factor in the realities of your party of 6 off-the-wall characters, with no divine magic because nobody wanted to play that, and less than standard magical equipment because you want a lower magic world, or whatever the details may be, is silly.&nbsp; You just do what you always did: read the monster descriptions, know what your party is capable of and match them up.Trying to figure out how much experience the party gets after all that is even worse.&nbsp; I agree, WP, just looking at the experience level of the party would be at least as effective.&nbsp; I can't imagine what real utility levels add to that equation.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 302079, member: 2205"] [color=white]Yes, when all is said and done, that's the explanation I find most likely as well. And since none of the market research (which I've only heard about second hand, obviously, not being a WotC employee) doesn't address the actual reasons why gamers do what what they do, all these arguments to try and "prove" me wrong with this misapplied quotes and such are pretty fruitless. Y'know, it's absolutely fine if you disagree with me. No problem. I'm not trying to claim I've got a monopoly on truth here or anything like that. But for Pete's sake, just admit that you have a different opinion, folks. These "proofs" that I'm constantly getting shoved in my face are pretty tiresome at this point. And, since this thread is already diverged on a tangent, let me address yours as well. The XP and CR system [i]is[/i] more complex and less useful really than what we had before, except as a method of scaling one monster against another. Unless you have the "ideal" party of one rogue, one fighter, one wizard and one cleric of exactly the same level with exactly the DMG recommended equipment, then CRs are fairly meaningless. Assuming they were assigned right in the first place. Trying to factor in the realities of [i]your[/i] party of 6 off-the-wall characters, with no divine magic because nobody wanted to play that, and less than standard magical equipment because you want a lower magic world, or whatever the details may be, is silly. You just do what you always did: read the monster descriptions, know what your party is capable of and match them up. Trying to figure out how much experience the party gets after all that is even worse. I agree, WP, just looking at the experience level of the party would be [i]at least[/i] as effective. I can't imagine what real utility levels add to that equation.[/color] [/QUOTE]

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