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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bganon" data-source="post: 4721048" data-attributes="member: 60886">I don't think it's because of more perilous situations or difficulty getting out of them.  I think it's because of how relatively easy (compared to other classes) it is to shut down the extra features that make an Avenger a striker.I don't have a lot of actual play experience with Avengers, but for a group of monsters here's what I see them faced with:vs melee Ranger: It's nearly impossible to prevent him from just designating his next target as quarry.vs melee Rogue: Sometimes you can make formations to avoid being flanked, but the Rogue has buckets of move-or-shift-before-attack powers and can pick any target on the battlefield.  The Rogue's party can do a lot to help get flanking, too.vs Avenger: The Oath can't be switched, and simple formations (ally on either side) shut it down, although the Avenger's party might have some forced movement powers to help out with.  Censure of Pursuit is negated by focus-firing on the Avenger, which is probably not a bad tactic anyway, and the Avenger's party explicitly can do nothing to help get the Censure bonus back.  Censure of Retribution is negated by ignoring the Avenger and the only way the Avenger's party can help is to force attacks through domination-like effects.I really do think the Avenger's striker features are harder to use.  And if the Avenger winds up being a crappy striker in those situations, then I think it's reasonable that at least they get to be a passable defender.</blockquote>

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