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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Seeker" data-source="post: 4722051" data-attributes="member: 41724">Two problems.  The first is that if Armor of Faith is an armor bonus, it needs to get a +1 at Paragon and Epic, the same as every other light armor (because of masterwork armors).  The second is more serious: the Avenger can't enchant himself, and would thereby miss out on +6 over 30 levels compared to any other class in the game.The simplest solution to these two problems is to just let the Avenger wear armor.  Now, suppose the Avenger did not have Armor of Faith; clearly, since even the ranged strikers get (at least) leather armor profiency, so would the Avenger.  So we have a design question: why the additional point of AC?  For clarity: suppose AoF was a +2.  Then the difference between the two hypothetical Avengers would be that the AoF Avenger wouldn't be interested in taking shield feats (unless he took two, in which case he's trading feats one-for-one for Reflex), even if both of them could (Strength 13/15, which would be hard to meet for an Avenger).  Hide armor also has stat requirements that an Avenger may be uninterested in meeting (Strength 13, Con 13).So with AoF at +2, the big difference seems to be that an AoF Avenger gets to spend a feat (leather armor profiency) on a +2 to AC that the non-AoF Avenger probably won't be able to to... compensating them for the stat difference (between them and a rogue) we've been postulating, at the cost of a feat.  That seems entirely reasonable to me.  So why the +1?  An Avenger is /also/ behind a rogue in Reflex, with that same stat difference.  (We'll assert that the +1/+1/+1 vs +2 balances, for the nonce.)  Trading +2 Reflex for +1 AC also seems pretty reasonable to me.Now the question becomes: why Improved Armor of Faith?  Is it strictly power creep?  If we suppose it compensates for the rogue's higher damage output, it almost makes sense, because Sneak Attack improves per tier as well.  (Assuming, not unreasonably, that all rogues take Improved Sneak Attack *cough* Backstabber.)So to me, this looks like a reasonable set of trade-offs to turn a pure striker (rogue) into a striker/tank.  What's strange is that the secondary role for an Avenger is supposed to be controller...</blockquote>

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