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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6137635" data-attributes="member: 92511"><p>I do not agree it should be its own class. Not by a long shot. An, yes, all the "archetypes" are incredibly similar.</p><p></p><p>But, just for fun, thought I'd list out those characters of literature, history or myth that say "barbarian" to me.</p><p></p><p>Conan, obviously. </p><p>Fafrd, pretty standard fantasy barbarian.</p><p>Beowulf, and pretty much anyone else in that story except the monsters. But that culture is suitably "fantasy barbarian" to me.</p><p>The Huns.</p><p>The assorted Germanic "-Goths" tribes and most ancient world Scandanavian peoples.</p><p>The French folkloric popular cartoon series, "Asterix", with his super strength and speed awarded from the magical brew his clan's druid prepares. Note how, here again, the barbarian's "physical powers" are bolstered/heightened and, perhaps most defining for the D&D "barbarian" archetype, <em>temporary.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>If you want to include D&D references, I'll add in Wulfgar from the Forgotten Realms/Crystal Shard/Drizzt books. I will not, however, include "Bobby the Barbarian" from the D&D cartoon. As much as I loved the cartoon, it did a terrrrrible job of modeling actual D&D classes.</p><p></p><p>That about does it. Is it "lots" of references to qualify barbarians as an archetype? Maybe not a lot, but a sufficient amount? I'd say so. Certainly more material than clerics or paladins were based on...or the original ranger class who was based, quite blatantly, openly, and entirely on Aragorn.</p><p></p><p>Those are the "raging berserker barbarian" archetype I imagine when I think "D&D Barbarian class"...which shouldn't be a class. Berserker <em>could </em>be a fighter sub-class, but <em>should</em> be at the least a fighting style/theme that any fighter can adopt. "Barbarian" is the cultural background and should stay/be presented as such.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6137635, member: 92511"] I do not agree it should be its own class. Not by a long shot. An, yes, all the "archetypes" are incredibly similar. But, just for fun, thought I'd list out those characters of literature, history or myth that say "barbarian" to me. Conan, obviously. Fafrd, pretty standard fantasy barbarian. Beowulf, and pretty much anyone else in that story except the monsters. But that culture is suitably "fantasy barbarian" to me. The Huns. The assorted Germanic "-Goths" tribes and most ancient world Scandanavian peoples. The French folkloric popular cartoon series, "Asterix", with his super strength and speed awarded from the magical brew his clan's druid prepares. Note how, here again, the barbarian's "physical powers" are bolstered/heightened and, perhaps most defining for the D&D "barbarian" archetype, [I]temporary. [/I] If you want to include D&D references, I'll add in Wulfgar from the Forgotten Realms/Crystal Shard/Drizzt books. I will not, however, include "Bobby the Barbarian" from the D&D cartoon. As much as I loved the cartoon, it did a terrrrrible job of modeling actual D&D classes. That about does it. Is it "lots" of references to qualify barbarians as an archetype? Maybe not a lot, but a sufficient amount? I'd say so. Certainly more material than clerics or paladins were based on...or the original ranger class who was based, quite blatantly, openly, and entirely on Aragorn. Those are the "raging berserker barbarian" archetype I imagine when I think "D&D Barbarian class"...which shouldn't be a class. Berserker [I]could [/I]be a fighter sub-class, but [I]should[/I] be at the least a fighting style/theme that any fighter can adopt. "Barbarian" is the cultural background and should stay/be presented as such. [/QUOTE]
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