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<blockquote data-quote="cmbarona" data-source="post: 6137982" data-attributes="member: 71281"><p>I'm of the opinion that Barbarians should be subclasses of Fighters. Perhaps it's just a naming thing, but I doubt that's it. For the record, I've hated the name "Fighter" for many years now (doesn't the Wizard fight, too?).</p><p></p><p>But if we assume that Fighters are the class for the masters of non-magical combat, then Barbarians very much fit that bill. I think the Barbarian could be subsumed well by either the Fighter or the Ranger class, although there have been numerous threads about the Ranger's validity as its own class. 4e went a different direction with Barbarians, so I'll admit that they <strong>could</strong> be significantly different from Fighters as to warrant their own class. I can't say how well they worked since I never played a 4e Barbarian/saw one played, but hey, I could appreciate the attempt for what it was. But unless the designers really flesh out those distinctions, Barbarians are essentially Fighters with a different AC calculation and a different Expertise mechanic. I realize that's over-simplifying it, but I would argue not by much.</p><p></p><p>To add a little personal experience here, I <strong>have</strong> played a 4e Warlord from levels 1-30. I think that's quite a robust and versatile class. I think it has enough mechanics that it could be its own 5e class. However! I can also see it being subsumed as a Fighter subclass, if done well, and especially if given abilities that scale with level. Why is this important to the topic at hand? Because if they can make the Warlord into a Fighter subclass, then I believe they can make the Barbarian into a Fighter subclass even easier.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cmbarona, post: 6137982, member: 71281"] I'm of the opinion that Barbarians should be subclasses of Fighters. Perhaps it's just a naming thing, but I doubt that's it. For the record, I've hated the name "Fighter" for many years now (doesn't the Wizard fight, too?). But if we assume that Fighters are the class for the masters of non-magical combat, then Barbarians very much fit that bill. I think the Barbarian could be subsumed well by either the Fighter or the Ranger class, although there have been numerous threads about the Ranger's validity as its own class. 4e went a different direction with Barbarians, so I'll admit that they [B]could[/B] be significantly different from Fighters as to warrant their own class. I can't say how well they worked since I never played a 4e Barbarian/saw one played, but hey, I could appreciate the attempt for what it was. But unless the designers really flesh out those distinctions, Barbarians are essentially Fighters with a different AC calculation and a different Expertise mechanic. I realize that's over-simplifying it, but I would argue not by much. To add a little personal experience here, I [B]have[/B] played a 4e Warlord from levels 1-30. I think that's quite a robust and versatile class. I think it has enough mechanics that it could be its own 5e class. However! I can also see it being subsumed as a Fighter subclass, if done well, and especially if given abilities that scale with level. Why is this important to the topic at hand? Because if they can make the Warlord into a Fighter subclass, then I believe they can make the Barbarian into a Fighter subclass even easier. [/QUOTE]
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