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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6366672" data-attributes="member: 87792">Just adding something in.10th level rogue wielding dual shortswords and with a party member in the melee line.Dex 20 + Studded Leather - AC 17.  Reaction to Uncanny Dodge to halve damage.  DTPR is roughly equal to the Barbarian.Attacks: +9/+9 (I'm assuming that's what you meant for Leaf as well - Prof went up to +4 at level 9)Damage: d6+5 / d6 - w/5d6 Sneak Attack if either hit.Ignoring crits that's 0.55*(d6+5+d6) + (1-(.45*.45))*(5*3.5)=.55*12 + 319/400*17.5= 6.6 +13.96= 20.56 DPRAlas poor fighter!At 5th level vs the Ankylosaurus, Dex 18 (double check your barbarian please!  I'm only getting him to Str 19)AC 16, attacks: +7/+7 (Again, assuming that's what you meant for Leaf - Prof went up at +5? - Using Leaf's probabilities here)Damage: d6+4 / d6 - w/3d6 Sneak Attack if either hit.Ignoring crits that's 0.6*(d6+4+d6) + (1-(.4*.4))*(3*3.5)= .6*11 + .84 * 10.5= 15.4 DPRDPR for the rogue, assuming a partner, is ahead of the raging barbarian at this level.  (Assuming no flanking partner, the rogue wins in the running away stakes and actually lasts a while).(DTPR is about 6.2 now you have defensive roll).I'm also not really trying here.  I haven't included anything to do with archetypes, and I'm pretty sure a rogue wins the out of combat race.</blockquote>