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Barbarian's Hit Points gained by Rage
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<blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 1093351" data-attributes="member: 2629"><p>I don't seem to have this statement in my PHB. I see statements that indicate what happens when the rage ends, but I see nothing that indicates that the rage does not end when the barbarian falls unconcious. </p><p></p><p>The text does not specify what happens when a raging barbarian falls unconcious. Lacking clear direction, we must turn to normal english usage of the terms involved to determine the intent of the designers. The designers used emotional terms to describe the ability. An emotional state does not persist when someone is knocked unconcious. The ability should end.</p><p></p><p>We know that the barbarian can end the rage by choice (presumably instantly). We know that certain spells can suppress rage (calm emotions, which involves a will save) instantly. These things indicate to me that the ability is not a purely physical change that the barbarian receives, even when unconcious. They indicate to me that rage involves a mental state of mind that must be maintained. Unconciousness prevents that state of mind.</p><p></p><p>I am aware of the Sage Advice from 3.0 that indicated that rage did not end when the barbarian went unconcious. That was sage advice. Not errata. Not clarifications to the text. It was *advice* on how to handle the situation from an experienced staff gamer. It is not official for general D&D terms. There have been instances where the sage advice has been contradictory to itself and instances where it has ignored the official rules. Sage advice is fine in most instances, but it is not authoritative. It is even less useful to refer to 3.0 sage advice to resolve a 3.5 issue.</p><p></p><p>This ability is called rage. It is not called adrenalin surge. It is not called ability score increase. It is not called physical change. It is called rage. Rage is an emotion. If you get knocked unconcious, your emotional state ends. Rage is described as a screaming blood frenzy. It is not described as oblivious unonciousness.</p><p></p><p>Rage should end when the character falls unconcious. That means that a barbarian with more than 5 levels will die if he goes to negative hit points while raging.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jgsugden, post: 1093351, member: 2629"] I don't seem to have this statement in my PHB. I see statements that indicate what happens when the rage ends, but I see nothing that indicates that the rage does not end when the barbarian falls unconcious. The text does not specify what happens when a raging barbarian falls unconcious. Lacking clear direction, we must turn to normal english usage of the terms involved to determine the intent of the designers. The designers used emotional terms to describe the ability. An emotional state does not persist when someone is knocked unconcious. The ability should end. We know that the barbarian can end the rage by choice (presumably instantly). We know that certain spells can suppress rage (calm emotions, which involves a will save) instantly. These things indicate to me that the ability is not a purely physical change that the barbarian receives, even when unconcious. They indicate to me that rage involves a mental state of mind that must be maintained. Unconciousness prevents that state of mind. I am aware of the Sage Advice from 3.0 that indicated that rage did not end when the barbarian went unconcious. That was sage advice. Not errata. Not clarifications to the text. It was *advice* on how to handle the situation from an experienced staff gamer. It is not official for general D&D terms. There have been instances where the sage advice has been contradictory to itself and instances where it has ignored the official rules. Sage advice is fine in most instances, but it is not authoritative. It is even less useful to refer to 3.0 sage advice to resolve a 3.5 issue. This ability is called rage. It is not called adrenalin surge. It is not called ability score increase. It is not called physical change. It is called rage. Rage is an emotion. If you get knocked unconcious, your emotional state ends. Rage is described as a screaming blood frenzy. It is not described as oblivious unonciousness. Rage should end when the character falls unconcious. That means that a barbarian with more than 5 levels will die if he goes to negative hit points while raging. [/QUOTE]
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