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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herzog" data-source="post: 4260175" data-attributes="member: 25696">@roguerouge:I am aware of the 'problems' of getting ranged sneak attacks. However, I should try to keep my bard out of melee combat, so ranged sneak is my best option.Also, there's a feat (or spell?) that increases the sneak attack range to 60', so that should improve my chances. (can't remember where I read it, have to look it up some time)About the Scout: that would mean 5 levels of scout befor I have +2d6 scirmish. that's too many levels of spellcasting I will loose.@blargney:Did you mean 1 lvl rogue, 1 lvl unseen seer, combined for the +2d6 sneak attack? otherwise, I see no benefit from that class.Silent Spell is useless for Bards, divination spell power means all other schools get a caster level penalty, and you have to take 4 levels to get at 2d6 damage bonus.Only other benefit is that spellcasting keeps increasing.Or did you mean Unseen Seer as alternative to Arcane Trickster?That would mean at least 4 lvls of bard to fill the 8 points in hide, search and spot, since i have 10 skillpoints/lvl and search and spot are cross-class skills for the bard....which means their max at lvl 11 is going to be 7, which means I need one of those lvls to be in a class that has them as a class skill......I think I'll skip that route.@moritheil:sorry, should have said official books only. (no dragon magazine as well). However, the Ninja class appears in the Complete Adventurer as well, so I have taken a look at that one.I have a Wisdom penalty, and the ninja requires no armor to use ki powers, but the poison use gained at lvl 3 sounds good.I can't go assasin because that requires evil alignment, and that's just a no-go in our group.the sudden strike seems identical to sneak attack except it desn't apply when flanking, but since ranged flanking isn't possible, that's not a problem. Also, the sidebar with the ninja class specifically mentions that sudden strike should be considered the equivalent of sneak attack for the purpose of qualifying for feats and prestige classes.Looks like I will be taking a closer look at the pro's and con's of the ninja....thankx!</blockquote>

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