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<blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 2055550" data-attributes="member: 1622">Here's my suggestion - try to get 14 strength.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you don't have decent strength, you're wasting yourself in combat.&nbsp; DEFINITELY do not give yourself 10 strength.&nbsp; You get the same BAB as a cleric... use it!&nbsp; You can choose a martial weapon to be proficient with, too.&nbsp; here's what I'd do with a gnome bard and 30 point buy:Str 14 (10pts to 16, -2 racial)Dex 12 (4pts)Con 12 (2pts to 10, +2 racial)Int 14 (6pts)Wis 10 (2pts)Cha 14 (6pts)You really don't need 16 charisma... believe me.&nbsp; You're a secondary caster, and won't be slinging fireballs.&nbsp; Yes, high charisma is good for when you need to charm people or whatever, but it's not the same as intelligence for a wizard... there are many things you can do that don't need high charisma.I've played a bard with very nearly these stats and he did pretty well against everything except oozes.Remember, you are a fighter-wizard-cleric-rogue.&nbsp; You're not just a wizard rogue.&nbsp; You can get into combat..&nbsp; I wore light armor and used a buckler and longsword, and did just fine in combat, thankyouverymuch.&nbsp; I was no fighter, but I was at least as good as the cleric most of the time, and that's saying something.Don't go ranged combat.. people will tell you that... you just don't get enough feats to combat all the inherent drawbacks of ranged combat.&nbsp; Sure, lug along a bow, but don't try to concentrate on it, there are better things to do with your feats.Last tip - don't choose spells you can duplicate with your bardic abilities.&nbsp; You'll pretty much never run out of uses of your bardic abilities, but you run out of spells fairly often, and spells known are way too precious to duplicate things you can already do.Most of all - live it up!&nbsp; Bards more than any other class lend themselves to over-the-top roleplaying that doesn't piss anyone off (unlike barbarians and paladins).&nbsp; Everything should be big and dramatic and amusing.Bards rock.&nbsp; Have fun.-The Souljourner</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Souljourner, post: 2055550, member: 1622"] Here's my suggestion - try to get 14 strength. If you don't have decent strength, you're wasting yourself in combat. DEFINITELY do not give yourself 10 strength. You get the same BAB as a cleric... use it! You can choose a martial weapon to be proficient with, too. here's what I'd do with a gnome bard and 30 point buy: Str 14 (10pts to 16, -2 racial) Dex 12 (4pts) Con 12 (2pts to 10, +2 racial) Int 14 (6pts) Wis 10 (2pts) Cha 14 (6pts) You really don't need 16 charisma... believe me. You're a secondary caster, and won't be slinging fireballs. Yes, high charisma is good for when you need to charm people or whatever, but it's not the same as intelligence for a wizard... there are many things you can do that don't need high charisma. I've played a bard with very nearly these stats and he did pretty well against everything except oozes. Remember, you are a fighter-wizard-cleric-rogue. You're not just a wizard rogue. You can get into combat.. I wore light armor and used a buckler and longsword, and did just fine in combat, thankyouverymuch. I was no fighter, but I was at least as good as the cleric most of the time, and that's saying something. Don't go ranged combat.. people will tell you that... you just don't get enough feats to combat all the inherent drawbacks of ranged combat. Sure, lug along a bow, but don't try to concentrate on it, there are better things to do with your feats. Last tip - don't choose spells you can duplicate with your bardic abilities. You'll pretty much never run out of uses of your bardic abilities, but you run out of spells fairly often, and spells known are way too precious to duplicate things you can already do. Most of all - live it up! Bards more than any other class lend themselves to over-the-top roleplaying that doesn't piss anyone off (unlike barbarians and paladins). Everything should be big and dramatic and amusing. Bards rock. Have fun. -The Souljourner [/QUOTE]

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