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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9504357" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I have tried to figure out how to min max this and I can't come up with a good build, at least not one that is mostly Bard.  The closest I have come is a 16 Dex, max Charisma Paladin 1/Warlock 2/Dance Bard X who plays as a primary melee Gish.  That should work ok, but not really great and in such a build the unarmed strikes are not even doing a whole lot for you, you are mostly relying on Agonizing Truestrike, Agonizing Green Flame Blade, weapon mastery and Paladin smites in melee.  I also looked at a Bladesinger build, but that requires a lot of Bladesinger levels to work well.A big problem is the unarmed strikes are not very powerful to start with, then you can't use them with truestrike, making them substantially worse as an action than just charging in with a dagger or spear and finally you only have a few of them as a bonus action.A Monk is a lot more than just unarmed strikes and a Monk's unarmed strikes are better than a Dance Bards even if they lag in damage at some levels.  A Monk gets to do Force damage, gets to Flurry of Blows, gets to stunning strike, gets extra attack and gets unlimited uses as a bonus aciton.  Without those things a Monk's unarmed strikes would be pathetically weak, which is where the Dance Bard's are.</blockquote>