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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 9505427" data-attributes="member: 59057">Yes, only the bard. It had 3e progression with bonus spells already factored in. While 3e gave wizards bonus spells for high int compared to 2e, the bard got less spells if their charisma was lower than 2e. Combined with faster level progressions for rogues in 2e and access to all wizard spells made bards in 3e way less powerful spellcasters. And they did not get a lot to compensate. Especially when 2e bard kits were very nicely done. As explained above, for clerics it was as it always was. For wizards it was bonus spells. For bards it was mostly keeping up. I do agree to some extend. I forgot to mention that above. Spell DC depending on spell level made bards in 3e suck even more. I'd play a bard with that progression if they got some nice extra abilities as compensation. Note that bards were nerfed in some ways from 2014 to 2024 though. They lost some weapon proficiencies (true strike makes up for that a bit), song of rest and some of the very powerful low level disables were nerfed (sleep, colour spray).New magical secrets is not a lot better than the old one if you look closely.What they really got was the ability to channel low level spell slots into bardic inspiration. Which makes them a bit less spellcasters and able to sustain their inspiration better.</blockquote>