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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9505514" data-attributes="member: 6750235">That's an insignificant nerf.&nbsp; It's not like those other spell lists were what made (lore) bards good.&nbsp; ;-) This was worse under 2014 because magical secrets did the exact same thing as extra secrets and was designed as additional spells within the progression table.&nbsp; Now magical secrets is just an expanded spell list for spell prep, but magical discoveries is still extra spells prepped plus allows cantrips.That marginalization isn't noticeable until 15th or 17th level because of those changes.&nbsp; It's always two more spells prepped in any case, and we can only assume useful spells.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's minor foe a couple levels and +2 on three skills most of the game over jack of all trades.As a debuff this can be very useful.&nbsp; The bard can still only use it so often.I like guidance and prayer of healing; more skill buffing and the benefits of a short rest are handy.&nbsp; But there are many good choices.It also works on attack rolls so the bard doesn't miss with that truestrike or other attack spell.&nbsp; That could be steel wind strike and a bonus to every attack roll that misses if the bard wants.&nbsp; With CME or fount of moonlight up since you like damage.&nbsp; ;-)It could be an upcast scorching ray too.&nbsp; The only limit is once per roll using bardic inspiration.&nbsp; That can change multiple misses into hits in a single turn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 9505514, member: 6750235"] That's an insignificant nerf. It's not like those other spell lists were what made (lore) bards good. ;-) This was worse under 2014 because magical secrets did the exact same thing as extra secrets and was designed as additional spells within the progression table. Now magical secrets is just an expanded spell list for spell prep, but magical discoveries is still extra spells prepped plus allows cantrips. That marginalization isn't noticeable until 15th or 17th level because of those changes. It's always two more spells prepped in any case, and we can only assume useful spells. That's minor foe a couple levels and +2 on three skills most of the game over jack of all trades. As a debuff this can be very useful. The bard can still only use it so often. I like guidance and prayer of healing; more skill buffing and the benefits of a short rest are handy. But there are many good choices. It also works on attack rolls so the bard doesn't miss with that truestrike or other attack spell. That could be steel wind strike and a bonus to every attack roll that misses if the bard wants. With CME or fount of moonlight up since you like damage. ;-) It could be an upcast scorching ray too. The only limit is once per roll using bardic inspiration. That can change multiple misses into hits in a single turn. [/QUOTE]

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