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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 1063016" data-attributes="member: 1331">For my next PC, I plan to make a Horizon Walker. But though the class seems ready-made for rangers, I'm thinking it would also fit well for a bard. With all the Knowledges as class skills, a bard can get in at 5th level, just as early as the ranger can.My question is, will this character end up being totally underpowered? I like the flavor, but I'm rather attached to the idea of being useful to the party. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />There's definitely a tradeoff between Brd5 and Rgr5. The bard's main advantage is spells. Not counting bonus spells he gets 3/3/1 slots, compared to the ranger's "0" first level. (I'm liking the idea of alter self to a form with a Swim or Climb speed, to take advantage of the HW terrain movement bonuses. Expeditious retreat is also nice.) There's also bardic music, which my current party has always found very helpful. In comparison the ranger gets an extra 2 points of BAB, an animal companion, a combat style, two favored enemies, and effectively an extra feat slot (since he needn't spend a feat on Endurance). Plus he has a larger hit die, and martial weapon proficiency. That seems like quite a lot for a character to give up.They have the same skill points, they're both restricted to light armor, they're both about equivalent in the number of good ability scores they need.Is this a good idea? Have I gone insane?Comments?Suggestions?Anyone for tennis?</blockquote>

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